The Red and Black

Originally posted by

Matt

The meat industry is an industry like all others. It does not and cannot consider the experience of its merchandise, ie cows, pigs, chickens etc.

This is compounded by the fact that the merchandise cannot adequately explain their pain. (But, it should be noted, even when human merchandise of the past COULD explain their pain in the language of their captors, they were seldom listened to.)

This article is almost entirely untrue. I don't think the author was lying; she simply can't view the matter objectively. Doesn't keep the article from being a piece of crap, though.

Originally posted by

Kyle

This is a great article! The author, Tapley, accurately reflects the meat industry. Like Ms. Tapley, I have had great experience in the poultry and cattle industries of Georgia, and I have not once seen any degree of injustice done to animals.

Like Tapley, I do agree that some injustices do exist as they do in every industry, but these are limited and only happen on rare occurances. An overwhelming majority of the meat industries in the U.S. do not let acts of animal cruelty take place.

In addition, I applaud Ms. Tapley for respecting the life-style of vegetarians. It is every persons choice to eat what they wish and I respect that. However, it is terribly disheartening to use such vast amounts of Propaganda to inaccurately reflect the facts on any issue. Several vegetarians like to use this method to scare unknowing people into their lifestyle. Ms. Patel used such propangada in her article, and it made her look terribly ignorant. Unfortunately, our country is littered with people who wish to use propanganda to spread lies.

Originally posted by

Kyle

It is every persons choice to eat what they wish and I respect that.

Originally posted by

Meghan

"But harvesting an animal for food causes no harm."

Are you kidding me? It causes unimaginable harm to the environment, not to mention the damage to the health of those who eat meat! Harvesting animals for food wastes our resources: 1 pound of meat takes 5,000 gallons of water to produce, while 1 pound of wheat only requires 25 gallons. Animal feces are in water supplies throughout the country. The meat industry produces more greenhouse gases than all the SUVs, cars, trucks, planes, and ships in the world combined.
Meat eaters are 50% more likely to have heart disease and 40% more likely to have cancer. Eating meat is strongly linked to osteoporosis, Alzheimer's, asthma, and male impotence.

The fact that you think animals aren't being abused is bad enough, but do some research before you say harvesting an animal for food causes no harm.

Originally posted by

Meghan

"But harvesting an animal for food causes no harm."

Are you kidding me? It causes unimaginable harm to the environment, not to mention the damage to the health of those who eat meat! Harvesting animals for food wastes our resources: 1 pound of meat takes 5,000 gallons of water to produce, while 1 pound of wheat only requires 25 gallons. Animal feces are in water supplies throughout the country. The meat industry produces more greenhouse gases than all the SUVs, cars, trucks, planes, and ships in the world combined.
Meat eaters are 50% more likely to have heart disease and 40% more likely to have cancer. Eating meat is strongly linked to osteoporosis, Alzheimer's, asthma, and male impotence.

The fact that you think animals aren't being abused is bad enough, but do some research before you say harvesting an animal for food causes no harm.

Originally posted by

Meghan

"But harvesting an animal for food causes no harm."

Are you kidding me? It causes unimaginable harm to the environment, not to mention the damage to the health of those who eat meat! Harvesting animals for food wastes our resources: 1 pound of meat takes 5,000 gallons of water to produce, while 1 pound of wheat only requires 25 gallons. Animal feces are in water supplies throughout the country. The meat industry produces more greenhouse gases than all the SUVs, cars, trucks, planes, and ships in the world combined.
Meat eaters are 50% more likely to have heart disease and 40% more likely to have cancer. Eating meat is strongly linked to osteoporosis, Alzheimer's, asthma, and male impotence.

The fact that you think animals aren't being abused is bad enough, but do some research before you say harvesting an animal for food causes no harm.

Originally posted by

Dallas

Who knows, maybe dog meat is good after all!

Originally posted by

Bea Elliott

Firstly, for all the "carnivore and omnivore" respondants, I really have no problem with what you eat - My problem is with the killing. Troll any interstate or busy highway and you can find/eat all the goodies you desire.....

Some discredit veg*ans because their meat-free life style is "just" a moral issue(?).... Excuse me, but morality is very much a part of what should motivate civilization. After all, we are not "the bear snatching the fish from the stream". The bear does so for "need"/food only - and does not examine ethics. Man does (or at least should). Man does not "need" to kill for sustainance. The institutional acceptance of this needless killing is blasphemous.

As with all perpetrators of injustice - you wish to be "left alone" to "have your right to eat animals" - and you want the informed and concerned world to turn it's rational eyes from your "choice".

Man's greatness stems from his desire to right wrongs. To champion for the dis-enfranchised, to speak for the voiceless, and end exploitation. Surely the lowliest victims of injustice are the animals raised/killed for "food".

When the plantation masters were challenged by abolitionists certainly they said, "look away, it's our business". When women/children were held as chattle the great populi saw no harm..... The thief, murder and rapist likewise would also benefit from an apathetic culture. As long as man thirsts for justice and compassion victims will have vindication.

And finally to "Carnivore" who cries of the unfairness to the meat industry "who simultaneously embrace their love of animals and their recognition of the human desire to eat what humans were intended to eat, meat." "Love"? of the animals??? Or is it the "love" of the money, security exploiting them allows? And who says humans were "intended" to eat meat? Millions survive quite well without. And the peaceful dreams are the bonus to good physical and spiritual health.

For the planet, for your body - for the animals.... Go VEGAN

Originally posted by

Mentok

To Bea Elliot: Don't make a moral equivalency between animals and humans. A human life is much more important than any animal, there is no comparison. Animals can't reason and regularly eat their own young (Don't believe me? Get some hamsters).

When you get down to it, animals are on this earth with our blessing, thats one of the advantages of being at the top of the food chain. BTW, it wasn't always this way, if we could get a ride with Doc Brown back to the birth of humans we would be hunted by a myriad of animals who just weren't smart enough to put us in pens and harvest us. And yes, harvest is the right word because they are alive with a purpose, to die as food.

If were we not supposed to eat meat, why do we have canine teeth, to rip into those extra fleshy peas?

Also, how do you know that plants can't feel? Aren't they to be considered "disenfranchised"? By your own standard aren't veggies "voiceless" and "exploited" when they are torn from their parent plant? Where do you draw the line on moral equivalency? And what makes that point the correct one?

Originally posted by

D.J. Bennett

Ya know, we're talking about cows. They don't have feelings. They wander around and eat grass. They get fat, they get killed, and I eat them. It's cool if you're not into meat. But they are feelingless animals. Go weep for livestock all you want. While your eyes are watering, my mouth is watering for a big, juicy hamburger.

Originally posted by

D.J. Bennett

Ya know, we're talking about cows. They don't have feelings. They wander around and eat grass. They get fat, they get killed, and I eat them. It's cool if you're not into meat. But they are feelingless animals. Go weep for livestock all you want. While your eyes are watering, my mouth is watering for a big, juicy hamburger.

Originally posted by

MMMM Meat

This article is at least a year old. But my point is this; if you dont eat meat, those that do dont really give a shit. Complain and bitch and throw all of those global warming facts from cows farting and gallons per water for cows vs wheat bullshit out there, but nobody cares. Soysauge sucks, soymilk is for pussies. Man up and act like you are at the top of the food chain and wolf down some good ole red meat protien, you might not be so cranky anymore.