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Abstract:
Early Saturday morning, before tailgaters had begun clogging the streets, I was up driving my wife to the Ramsey student center for the LSAT. As I drove along the Athens loop, I saw a large banner wrapped around a road sign that read "Ron Paul Revolution." Another followed about a half mile later....

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Chris James

posted 10/05/07 @ 6:37 AM EST

The country has one last time to remember it's supposed to be a Rebuplic. If the people don't wake up, they'll get what they deserve...and unfortunately, that won't be Ron Paul.
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Grant

posted 10/06/07 @ 11:50 PM EST

I believe that Ron Paul is the only candidate who will keep us from getting involved in other countries affairs, reduce our debt, raise the value of the dollar, create true freedom, and strictly follow the Constitution. He is not corrupt like other candidates (Rudy Giuliani).
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Wendy

posted 10/05/07 @ 7:52 AM EST

Why am I voting for Mitt Romney....you can read why by going to the following site

http://www.evangelicalsformitt.org/why.php
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James M.

posted 10/05/07 @ 8:42 AM EST

Originally posted by

Wendy

 Why am I voting for Mitt Romney....you can read why by going to the following site

http://www.evangelicalsformitt.org/why.php


LOL I love how people let religion get in the way when voting for president because their church says so. You just keep on following the flock.

Need I remind you of a little thing called the seperation of church and state?

Mitt has not a chance in hell to pick up the nomination.
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Joe Lawson

posted 10/05/07 @ 1:02 PM EST

Originally posted by

Wendy

 Why am I voting for Mitt Romney....you can read why by going to the following site

http://www.evangelicalsformitt.org/why.php



Mitt, the guy who said his sons campaigning for him were equal to those serving in Iraq - you must be crazy.

There is really only one honest candidate running for President and that is Ron Paul
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Nate

posted 10/05/07 @ 8:10 PM EST

I went to the site, and this is what I found-

"We also believe the War on Terror is not simply a national security issue, but also a values issue. The enemies of our country who are responsible for 9/11 hate our very way of life. They hate our freedom, our values, and our Judeo-Christian heritage."

What a load of malarky. I'm a Christian myself. But its amazing how the evangelical SHEEPLE have been propagandized and lied to, to chant "I love Jesus" and with the same mouth, scream "THEY (muslims) HATE US - MUST KILL".

I could have sworn Jesus say in MY bible (after love thy God with all they heart/soul/spirit) to love thy neighbor ~ and who is "thy neighbor"? EVERYONE.

Fellow Christians, how are you loving your neighbor if you agree with "Pre-emptive Nuclear Strikes" as indicated from 9 out of the 10 Republican candidates concerning Iran? They DO NOT HATE US because we are Christians/Freedom/Values/Applepie/Fastcars/whatever.

THEY HATE US BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN INTERFERING AND BOMBING/KILLING THEM SINCE 1953. Stop following your false saviors Romney/Guliani/McCain/Thompson. Follow Jesus & his values. You will find Dr. Ron Paul's values follow in Christ's image.

Originally posted by

Wendy

 Why am I voting for Mitt Romney....you can read why by going to the following site

http://www.evangelicalsformitt.org/why.php
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Ray of hope

posted 10/05/07 @ 8:50 AM EST

It is true that Dr. Paul is the only consistent candidate. He is nothing like anyone else running and has voted in line with constitutional limitations put on government by the founders. Who else has? He is the ONLY candidate who can see that the monetary system in this country is collapsing and that the federal reserve is both unconstitutional and illegal and destroys a free market economy as it did in 1919, 1929, 1975, and today. The war is designed to make the elitists huge profits while spendthrift politicians borrow more and more from these same bankers who continuously create this money from nothing and then bilk the American taxpayers into paying nothing but the interest on a debt that is unbelievable with long term obligations nearing 100 trillion dollars?! America, especially young America needs to wake up now! No one from either party suggests doing what Ron Paul has suggested. Because he is out of line the Media hit pieces call him a quack and his supportrs kooks, but he walks the walk and talks the talk. It's honesty pure and simple and it's love for the country and not lust for power. He thanks the revolution for bringing him along. He is also one of the few who is not a member of the world dominating group the CFR (council on foreign relations)who admittedly have long planned to usher in the NWO. Every one of the so-called front runners are members, which of course explains why they have so much money from the special intest groups. Pauls money is from real people like me who spends at least a few hours a week trying to inform the public about what the media will not. This may be the last chance for America for peaceful reform back to where we are supposed to be. There will be an economic crash regardless, but the others don't even discuss it. This is perhaps the most important election in US history and there is still some hope for America, be part of it.
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tom davis

posted 10/05/07 @ 8:53 AM EST

With ADR (all due respect) to Wendy, Romney will be just another brand of Socialism-lite. His amazing death-bed conversion to conservatism is a laugher...it came at such a convenient time.

Ron Paul offers us hope for a new birth of freedom in this country, where people will be responsible for themselves and their families, and America will be put first when it comes to foreign policy.
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Katie

posted 10/05/07 @ 8:58 AM EST

I enjoyed your article and I definitely will be voting informed and fully wide awake. I will be voting for the finest candidate that we americans have ever been afforded the opportunity to vote for. That presidential candidate is none other than the peoples candidate "Ron Paul in 2008." Once again, thanks for the great article.
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Ron is the man!

posted 10/05/07 @ 9:25 AM EST

Wake up America!! No more of the status quo!
Ron Paul 2008!
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Mike D

posted 10/05/07 @ 9:30 AM EST

Unfortunately it took segregationist Governor Wallace to reveal the truth that "there's not a dime's worth of difference between" Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats willingly went along with the War in Iraq, suspension of Habeas Corpus, detaining protesters, banning books like "America Deceived' from Amazon, stealing private lands (Kelo decision), warrant-less wiretapping and refusing to investigate 9/11 properly. They are both guilty of treason. Support Dr. Ron Paul and save this great country.
Last link (before Google Books bends to gov't Will and drops the title):
http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?&isbn=0-595-38523-0
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Justin Meredith

posted 10/05/07 @ 9:51 AM EST

I have not heard Ron Paul speak. Does he have any planned stops in Virginia/Maryland/D.C.? I'd like to see him give a speech to make a more informed decision a year from now.
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Travis

posted 10/05/07 @ 9:57 AM EST

Go to http://youtube.com and search for Ron Paul. There is endless videos of him.

Originally posted by

Justin Meredith

 I have not heard Ron Paul speak. Does he have any planned stops in Virginia/Maryland/D.C.? I'd like to see him give a speech to make a more informed decision a year from now.
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Wiseburn

posted 10/05/07 @ 10:03 AM EST

Originally posted by

Justin Meredith

 I have not heard Ron Paul speak. Does he have any planned stops in Virginia/Maryland/D.C.? I'd like to see him give a speech to make a more informed decision a year from now.


Justin,

You can find Dr. Paul's schedule on his website
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/events/

You can also listen to his old speeches on Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/RonPaul2008DotCom

Thanks,
Steve
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Mike

posted 10/05/07 @ 10:32 AM EST

Originally posted by

Justin Meredith

 I have not heard Ron Paul speak. Does he have any planned stops in Virginia/Maryland/D.C.? I'd like to see him give a speech to make a more informed decision a year from now.


Justin - after you've checked out his views on the issues, if you find that you agree with him, make sure your registered to vote Republican in the primary from your state. In some states it doesn't matter whether you are a Repub, Dem, or Independent, but some you'll need to register R before hand.
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mark

posted 10/05/07 @ 1:40 PM EST

Originally posted by

Justin Meredith

 I have not heard Ron Paul speak. Does he have any planned stops in Virginia/Maryland/D.C.? I'd like to see him give a speech to make a more informed decision a year from now.



Bottom line, Paul has to get through the primaries and be nominated by the GOP before you can vote for him in one year. You can find a ton of speeches from him on youtube. Just google Ron Paul Youtube. If you like him, please vote in Jan. or Feb in your state's primary so he gains the nomination. You may need to register as Republican if your state's primaries are "closed."
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KEITH CRAWFORD

posted 10/05/07 @ 3:39 PM EST

Originally posted by

Justin Meredith

 I have not heard Ron Paul speak. Does he have any planned stops in Virginia/Maryland/D.C.? I'd like to see him give a speech to make a more informed decision a year from now.


Hi there are 30,000 something videos of Dr Paul on Google and Youtube.com If your into freedom and liberty and righting the wrongs you'll be there awhile!
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Garry

posted 10/05/07 @ 9:56 AM EST

Running late to this one...

Oct 05
Speech at "Defending the American Dream Summit"
Mayflower Hotel, Washington, DC
9:50 AM ET

So try:

Oct 11
Speech at the Robert Taft Club
Boulevard Woodgrill, Arlington, VA
8:00 PM ET
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Andrew Widener

posted 10/05/07 @ 12:18 PM EST

Ron Paul is so far afield from the kind of leader the US needs that it is no surprise he attracts conspiracy theorists and disaffected students to his campaign. He wants to abolish Medicare, Medicaid, almost all federal Departments, and he wants the US out of the UN, NATO, NAFTA, and UNICEF. He even wants to get rid of Social Security, which has lifted seniors out of the hideous poverty to which they were doomed before its inception.

His meek demeanor masks his relentless cruelty and insularity. In a recent vote in the House, he voted against encouraging the Burmese military dictatorship to release the Nobel Prize winner they have arbitrarily arrested and imprisoned. His provincialism is an ideology that was discredited in most circles a century ago. We need fewer people like him in the public space, if only to be saved of the paranoia his fascist supporters like to monger.
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brent

posted 10/05/07 @ 3:15 PM EST

Originally posted by

Andrew Widener

 Ron Paul is so far afield from the kind of leader the US needs that it is no surprise he attracts conspiracy theorists and disaffected students to his campaign. He wants to abolish Medicare, Medicaid, almost all federal Departments, and he wants the US out of the UN, NATO, NAFTA, and UNICEF. He even wants to get rid of Social Security, which has lifted seniors out of the hideous poverty to which they were doomed before its inception.

His meek demeanor masks his relentless cruelty and insularity. In a recent vote in the House, he voted against encouraging the Burmese military dictatorship to release the Nobel Prize winner they have arbitrarily arrested and imprisoned. His provincialism is an ideology that was discredited in most circles a century ago. We need fewer people like him in the public space, if only to be saved of the paranoia his fascist supporters like to monger.


His position on Social Security is grossly misrepresented in your quote, sir. He wants to give young people the option to opt out of SS and put away that money in individual retirement accounts.

Also, where in the constitution or any foreign policy doctrine does it give us the right to pressure the government of Burma to do anything? Its simply not our place. By engaging in these fruitless exercises, we're just stretching our facilities thin, spending too much money, exerting our influence over others, and generally making them resent and despise us.
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Andrew Widener

posted 10/05/07 @ 10:27 PM EST

Originally posted by

Andrew Widener

 Ron Paul is so far afield from the kind of leader the US needs that it is no surprise he attracts conspiracy theorists and disaffected students to his campaign. He wants to abolish Medicare, Medicaid, almost all federal Departments, and he wants the US out of the UN, NATO, NAFTA, and UNICEF. He even wants to get rid of Social Security, which has lifted seniors out of the hideous poverty to which they were doomed before its inception.

His meek demeanor masks his relentless cruelty and insularity. In a recent vote in the House, he voted against encouraging the Burmese military dictatorship to release the Nobel Prize winner they have arbitrarily arrested and imprisoned. His provincialism is an ideology that was discredited in most circles a century ago. We need fewer people like him in the public space, if only to be saved of the paranoia his fascist supporters like to monger.


Brent, defunding the welfare state will leave millions to starvation, squalor, and misery. This is Ron Paul's stated position. He is a libertarian, and he is inhumane and ignorant. Anyone who subordinates compassion and solidarity to efficiency and small government, as he does, is undeserving of a vote for president.

The Constitution doesn't say anything about interfering in other country's affairs. So what? That means it doesn't disallow it. Ron Paul's record on foreign policy is beyond forgivable. He is an enemy to anyone beyond the borders of the United States who is fighting against oppression. It wouldn't matter to him if genocide were occurring in our backyard. He is so apathetic and provincial he wouldn't give a damn.
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Karl

posted 10/06/07 @ 1:41 AM EST

"His meek demeanor masks his relentless cruelty and insularity."
This is one of many times in your rant in which you show how completely misinformed you are about this man. He is a libertarian who is completely against any forms of violence (including the death penalty - - how many other repub candidates can say that?). As a practicing OBGYN, he delivered over 4000 babies, and when his clients could not afford his services he gave money out of his own pocket to serve them, rather than accept government help. At the very least one should admit that he is the most principled and caring man on either side of the race, despite how you might feel about his positions on various subjects (which likely stems from your misunderstandings of economics and history).
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Ryan

posted 10/06/07 @ 1:44 AM EST

Originally posted by

Andrew Widener

 Ron Paul is so far afield from the kind of leader the US needs that it is no surprise he attracts conspiracy theorists and disaffected students to his campaign. He wants to abolish Medicare, Medicaid, almost all federal Departments, and he wants the US out of the UN, NATO, NAFTA, and UNICEF. He even wants to get rid of Social Security, which has lifted seniors out of the hideous poverty to which they were doomed before its inception.

His meek demeanor masks his relentless cruelty and insularity. In a recent vote in the House, he voted against encouraging the Burmese military dictatorship to release the Nobel Prize winner they have arbitrarily arrested and imprisoned. His provincialism is an ideology that was discredited in most circles a century ago. We need fewer people like him in the public space, if only to be saved of the paranoia his fascist supporters like to monger.


Andrew, if present trends continue, by 2040 the entire federal budget will be consumed by Social Security and Medicare alone. America is not in charge of protecting and helping any country but our own. If you want to help another country, donate your own money. You may feel morally obligated to help somebody and that is fine. The federal government has no place deciding my moral obligations to other countries for me.
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Aaron Trent (Uni S Carolina)

posted 10/06/07 @ 10:30 AM EST

Originally posted by

Andrew Widener

 Ron Paul is so far afield from the kind of leader the US needs that it is no surprise he attracts conspiracy theorists and disaffected students to his campaign. He wants to abolish Medicare, Medicaid, almost all federal Departments, and he wants the US out of the UN, NATO, NAFTA, and UNICEF. He even wants to get rid of Social Security, which has lifted seniors out of the hideous poverty to which they were doomed before its inception.

Do you know anything about the origins of social security? In the late '30s, when it was implemented, the life expectancy was less than 65. This means it was a token program to tide people over until they died shortly after retiring. Also, at it's inception, it failed to cover over half of the population because they failed to meet the criteria. I fail to see how excluding half the population is intended to bring them out of the 'hideous poverty' in which they were living. You failed to back up your hideous poverty claim. Were you alive in the years preceding 1937? Did you know that workers were required to pay 1% of their income to SS and now we are required to pay 15% of our income to SS. That is a 1500% increase in 80 years. If this pattern holds people will be paying 225% of their paycheck to SS by 2087, in other words, you will owe more than double your income to SS.
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Kevin Houston

posted 10/05/07 @ 12:37 PM EST

A note to all ron Paul supporters in GA: Do not remain complacent about the primary. The GOP in NY, NH, and AZ are making plans to close the primary.

You may not be able to vote for Ron Paul unless you are a registered Republican. Do it today. In many states the deadline is Oct 12th. That is just ONE WEEK from today. There is no time to waste, grasshopper, the leaves are turning and winter approacheth.

If you have been waiting on the sidelines to see if the r3VOLution is real, the $5 million raised in Q3 should convince you that it is. And make no mistake, we will raise $12 million in Q4 as well. You can see the progress on the campaign website http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Long live the r3VOLution!


and just a note to Andrew Widner: "abolish[ing] Medicare, Medicaid, almost all federal Departments, and he wants the US out of the UN, NATO, NAFTA, and UNICEF... get[ting] rid of Social Security" all sounds really good to me. If you are trying to scare me off my vote, you should post something that I would be opposed to.

Just saying.
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Daniel

posted 10/05/07 @ 12:58 PM EST

Hello, all of those banners, signs, and supporters are from the Ron Paul Athens Meetup. We are determined to spread the word. Those signs definitely wont be the last time you see them. Come join our Athens meetup! www.meetup.com
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Mark

posted 10/05/07 @ 2:09 PM EST

I am a disabled veteran who is on Medicare and social security disability. These for mentioned services are less important to me than the constitution.
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Paul

posted 10/05/07 @ 3:50 PM EST

Right on J. Patrick!
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Steve

posted 10/05/07 @ 4:16 PM EST

Ron Paul is the man. Join the revolution.

RonPaul2008.com
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Dr. Joe Frazier

posted 10/05/07 @ 5:43 PM EST

When God Wants Something Done, He Always Gives It To ONE PERSON To Do -- a Abraham, a Moses, a Peter, a Paul, a John, a David, a Gideon, a Mary. Had you noticed??? One Person, Committed To A Goal, Is All God Needs To Change The World!!! He's done it many times. And if history turns many more pages, He'll surely do it again. At the very least, You and God Together Can Change Your World!!! http://www.RonPaul2008.com!!! Dr. Joe Frazier – WorldWide News Report
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JDP

posted 10/05/07 @ 5:46 PM EST

If you want to see what Ron Paul believes in and why he has such a strong following, just visit his YouTube channel and watch! www.youtube.com/ronpaul2008dotcom
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Dr. Joe Frazier

posted 10/05/07 @ 6:09 PM EST

When God Wants Something Done, He Always Gives It To ONE PERSON To Do -- a Abraham, a Moses, a Peter, a Paul, a John, a David, a Gideon, a Mary. Had you noticed??? One Person, Committed To A Goal, Is All God Needs To Change The World!!! He's done it many times. And if history turns many more pages, He'll surely do it again. At the very least, You and God Together Can Change Your World!!! http://www.RonPaul2008.com!!! Dr. Joe Frazier – WorldWide News Report
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libertysilver

posted 10/05/07 @ 7:19 PM EST

Register Republican quickly.
Deadline is coming. As early as October 12th,2007
if you want to change your party.

Do it now so you aren't kicking your self later.

Just do it. Ron Paul is the answer. We know this.
So do your job and register republican right now as a first priority.

State by State info from Official Campaign site.
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/primary-and-caucus-information/
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Dave

posted 10/05/07 @ 7:21 PM EST

Wendy likes Romney 'cuz he has nice hair.

I say:
Screw 'em all, vote Ron Paul!

Dave
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John Mill

posted 10/05/07 @ 9:39 PM EST

To Justin:

There was a great interview on NH public radio with Ron Paul. Here is a link in case you have time to watch it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdtqUPk1x3I

To Andrew:

If you are serious about 2008 election you might be interested in watching the interview yourself to form your own opinion as opposed to repeating a lame meme invented by scared RINOs.
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Dr. Joe Frazier

posted 10/06/07 @ 1:13 AM EST

When God Wants Something Done, He Always Gives It To ONE PERSON To Do -- a Abraham, a Moses, a Peter, a Paul, a John, a David, a Gideon, a Mary. Had you noticed??? One Person, Committed To A Goal, Is All God Needs To Change The World!!! He's done it many times. And if history turns many more pages, He'll surely do it again. At the very least, You and God Together Can Change Your World!!! http://www.RonPaul2008.com!!! Dr. Joe Frazier – WorldWide News Report
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Danny

posted 10/06/07 @ 1:31 AM EST

you're right andrew, we need more national debt, more wasted bureaucracy, more enemies abroad, and a shrinking dollar. thank god you are here to enlighten us all that a smaller government and more individual freedom is a bad thing. you have done your country a great service.
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Eric

posted 10/06/07 @ 3:26 AM EST

I agree with going the Youtube site and view some Ron Paul's videos on his site. But also research Ron Paul from the main Youtube page and you will find some amazing and informative videos that you won't see if you only go on Ron Paul's Youtube page.
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Theresa

posted 10/06/07 @ 6:27 AM EST

If you are on the fence but considering Ron Paul, please take action now, find out when your primary election takes place, find out if you can vote in them, then vote, otherwise the GOP will dictate to you a Rudy McRomney for President. If he doesn't win the primary, he doesn't go to general elections next year. http://ronpaul.meetup.com/boards/view/viewthread?thread=3518217&pager.offset=20#11325604
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Gene Gallagher

posted 10/06/07 @ 11:32 AM EST

Andrew is a Socialist. They will always be around, no matter if the government is bankrupt and can no longer support their lifestyle. Some don't believe in themselves or in others, nor in their God given brains to make proper life choices in order to provide for themselves.
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disinter

posted 10/06/07 @ 12:14 PM EST

Excellent article. Thanks!

Go Ron Paul!!
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Andrew Widener

posted 10/06/07 @ 8:40 PM EST

Karl, it is of absolutely no relevance that Ron Paul is a physician who has delivered babies all his life. If you vote on "issues" like that, I can now see why your approach to politics is so frivolous and shallow. To correct you: Ron Paul is not against all forms of violence. He voted to authorize the intervention in Afghanistan. So while he is misguided on nearly everything, he was right on that issue. He is one of the most principled candidates for president, but that doesn't mean he deserves a scintilla of respect for having exactly the wrong principles.

Ryan, there are many people who realize Social Security is financially insolvent and still don't want to get rid of it. Obliterating the only mechanism that allows some elderly and disabled people to live is not the way to fix it. Your argument about foreign policy would not be taken seriously by scarcely anyone in international relations. If you don't feel a need to help people in other countries then I don't mind saying you are morally deficient and I will gladly have the federal government take your money and distribute it overseas.

Aaron, I know a great deal about Social Security and I know the single greatest economic advance since the New Deal has been the lifting of seniors out of poverty. Before the New Deal seniors were more likely to be poor than the rest of the country, and I'm sure you can imagine poverty in old age is made all the more horrific by illness and weakness. It is a testament to our compassion that we have preserved the dignity of so many seniors by helping them be comfortable in old age. It is a testament to far-right selfishness that you would deny the elderly Social Security when so many of them have worked their whole lives to preserve the United States for you.

Ron Paul represents everything that has been discredited in American history: the America First Committee, the John Birch Society, an extreme support of state's rights, and an amoral refusal to lend a helping hand lest he be diverted from his worshipful exaltation of efficiency and limited government.
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RP4LIFE

posted 10/07/07 @ 2:00 AM EST

Andrew,

Before you go and slander Ron Paul why don't you take a second to research his views (I realize you are not here to educate yourself, only to slander). Ron Paul is not at all pushing for the complete removal of social security. He realizes people have grown attached to this wasteful system and it would be a disaster to completely remove it. He is only allowing for young people to opt out of it, since they most likely will not see any of it in the future.

I will not allow you to go spreading decietful half-truths about the most knowledgable, intelligent man in Washington. Because of people like you, I guarantee this nation will fall within 20 years.
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Curtis

posted 10/07/07 @ 2:50 AM EST

Are you sure you really know what the US needs? Because I'm not sure you do.
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Jon

posted 10/07/07 @ 1:52 PM EST

Andrew,

Check your economic history. Increases in American relative wealth levels have deteriorated since the formation of the welfare state under FDR to the point where the coming generation will be the first one in American history not better off than the generation before them.

Social Security has lifted no one out of poverty, nor was it ever intended by even FDR for most people to collect. Empirical facts simply disprove this statement, check out relative wealth levels of senior citizens for the past 100 years. The status of the poor is also deteriorating as a result of your statist financial policies.

The odd thing is that you could get a greater return per dollar if the U.S. government just put Social Security contributions into saving accounts then simply paying out everything contributed (and spending whatever is left). It's bad economics.

Andrew, I'd recommend Economics 101. Emotionalist irrational socialism does not pass the muster of even the most rudimentary neo-classical economics. Good further reading would be F.A. Hayek's work on business cycles and Ludwig von Mises's work in socialist calculation theory.
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Kevin Hayden

posted 10/07/07 @ 9:29 PM EST

"If you don't feel a need to help people in other countries then I don't mind saying you are morally deficient and I will gladly have the federal government take your money and distribute it overseas."

IN SOVIET AMERICA, YOUR WAGES OWN *YOU*.

Andy, I really don't know what to say to you. That comment made me feel nauseous. It's strange that label Paul supporters as fascists when you clearly are very fond of judgmental attitudes, government coersion and statism. Also, considering your misunderstanding of Dr. Paul's positions, it's ironic for you to call the man ignorant. Do you really believe that people should be forced to adhere to your moral views and personal priorities? That is not what America is about. I doubt that you would appreciate the government taking your wages against your will, on behalf of someone *else's* moral cause. People have a right to spend their money as they choose. Why do you support fascism?

Ugh. I guess we truly do get the government that we deserve. I have met a lot of social bullies like you Andrew. You really ought to learn respect for other people's rights. No one is morally deficient simply because they disagree with you. Stop being so arrogant. America has its own problems to sort out right now, and many of those problems are directly related to our nation's tendencies to embrace moral authoritarianism and getting involved in other people's business around the world.

By the way, since you're so keen on Social Security, I'd like to know how you can justify its existence. I keep reading about how it works, and it appears to be the most dishonest gov't program ever. Explain the justice in this:

The gov't takes money out of your paycheck, which you would normally assume will be going into a little box, to squirrel away for your golden years. But in reality, they take the accrued monies for that week, skim some off the top to give to the current retirees in the system...and then spend the rest of the money on cocaine, strippers, and tactical missiles.

No money is saved for anyone. Ever. But they call it the Social Security "Trust Fund"?

I would like to hear your explanation as to why your big government daddy whom you love so much...is justified in ripping off the public. If anyone in the private sector did that, they would find themselves beaten to death in an alley and then set on fire...or facing lawsuits at the least.

Please tell me why it is morally correct for "daddy" to spend all my "payments" (checkjacks) on Stinger missles and whores while assuring me that he's got my money tucked under the mattress.

If the SS system was voluntary and the money was *actually* stored away, it wouldn't be so bad. But as it is, I see a dishonest system. What do you see, Andy?
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Andrew Widener

posted 10/08/07 @ 1:11 AM EST

All I need to say to your hyperindividualism is what Thomas Paine once advised:

That government is best which governs most.
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Kevin Hayden

posted 10/09/07 @ 9:20 AM EST

Originally posted by

Andrew Widener

 All I need to say to your hyperindividualism is what Thomas Paine once advised:

That government is best which governs most.



You might want to check the accuracy of that quote, brother. It is actually "governs least". Look it up.

How could you possibly think otherwise when this country was founded on the principle of limited government?

Do you really believe this stuff or are you just a troller?
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ron paul

posted 10/08/07 @ 12:27 PM EST

This is a revolution of love. There is no love in the state.
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