The Red and Black

Mel,
I'm so sorry for the confusion. Let me clarify..we are all boozers-Greeks, nonGreeks, R&B staff, R&B commenters, students, faculty. The point of this article had nothing to do with the Greek community. I'm sorry you got confused and missed my message directed toward women's safety. I was attempting to get this important message across while trying to stay light and funny during these brutal times of finals. Thanks for the comment.

Originally posted by

Mel

While the sentiment in the article is admirable, why was it necessary to note that "Betty Boozer" was a non-greek and that you are in the greek system, Ms. Lee? I felt that your message was partially lost because you decided to attempt to pump up the already tarnished reputation of the greek system while insinuating that non-greeks are boozers. Why must everyone perpetuate this ridiculous cat fight between greeks and non-greeks on our campus? In the future, please make an effort to leave the stereotypes at home.

Originally posted by

Mel

While the sentiment in the article is admirable, why was it necessary to note that "Betty Boozer" was a non-greek and that you are in the greek system, Ms. Lee? I felt that your message was partially lost because you decided to attempt to pump up the already tarnished reputation of the greek system while insinuating that non-greeks are boozers. Why must everyone perpetuate this ridiculous cat fight between greeks and non-greeks on our campus? In the future, please make an effort to leave the stereotypes at home.

[QUOTE]I'm sorry you got confused and missed my message directed toward women's safety.[/QUOTE]

Nobody is confused. Did you forget that you said this: "As a proud Greek, I've been accused of 'buying my friends.' Well, at least I paid full price for amazing women who are there to support one another ...literally."

Being in a sorority doesn't guarantee that you won't get separated from your friends while you're out drinking downtown. If your friends would make sure you stayed with the group, awesome. But the fact that you're Greek is irrelevant. This "at least my sorority friends support me" statement implies that you think she wouldn't have been left alone had she been in a sorority. I get that being Greek isn't the point of the article so I am baffled as to why you put this in here.

But getting back to the point of the article, does it occur to you that you may be blaming people who don't exist? You said, "Where were the people she was out with at one point in the night?" How do you know she was out with anyone at any point that night? Unless you saw her with a group of people earlier you don't actually know that she didn't go out alone.

Originally posted by

Tiffany

Greek versus non-Greek aside, I'd like to just point out that no, Kristen Lee, we are NOT all boozers. We will not all have "one of those nights" downtown, get obliterated beyond all sensibility, and rely on our friends or the kindness of strangers to get us home. Getting so drunk that you can't recall your own name is not a natural occurrence for the entirety of the University population. Getting giggly and non-chalant about it just perpetuates the problem. I have no problem at all with drinking. I do drink with my friends, I do go downtown and frequent the bars. But somehow, somewhere, I picked up the self-control and knowledge to know when to *stop*.

So, sorry to burst your bubble, but some of us are actually responsible. Having friends who will take care of you when you can't take care of yourself is a blessing... but there's a lot more to be said for learning some personal responsibility. Keep your head in the game, people, and live to drink another day.

Well that's good for you. Not everyone is as responsible and mature enough to handle alcohol like you are. And thats probably who this article is intended for. Just because you don't have a problem with self control doesn't mean everyone shouldn't. It's called reality.

"Just because you don't have a problem with self control doesn't mean everyone shouldn't. It's called reality."

Dude, did you just say that?

Self-control is probably something I would like the majority of the population to NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH. If I'm in the minority here with that thought then there is definitely something wrong.

Originally posted by

Tiffany

Well that's good for you. Not everyone is as responsible and mature enough to handle alcohol like you are. And thats probably who this article is intended for. Just because you don't have a problem with self control doesn't mean everyone shouldn't. It's called reality. - originally posted by chris, replying to Tiffany

1) If you're not responsible and mature enough to handle alcohol then you shouldn't be drinking it.

2) Tiffany was responding to Kristen Lee's comment that, "we are all boozers-Greeks, nonGreeks, R&B staff, R&B commenters, students, faculty." Kristen may have meant to say that in all groups there are people who drink but it does also sound like she meant every individual person is a boozer. Tiffany thought Kristen meant the latter.

Originally posted by

Michael

Why are people mad about the "betty boozer was a non-greek" thing? Are you serious? Just put the remark back into the context in which it was used. Kristen brought the girl to a sorority house which she assumed was her sorority and it turns out she wasn't actually in a sorority at all. Chill out.

Michael - the implication was there, whether you see it or not. adding that they dropped her off at a sorority house was just an excuse to introduce the greek vs non-greek argument.

Originally posted by

turkish

I am not trying to be rude, but this was a very poorly written article. If I were an eleventh grade english teacher, I would give it a C. I found the grammar and wording to be very unrefined. Not that I am Steinbeck, but you (or maybe the editor) should know better than to end sentences with "of." Also the expression "most unique"/"quite unique" is improper because unique is defined as one of a kind; therefore, it is not possible to be very one of a kind. I learned this the hard way by missing this on the SAT. Anyway, I hope you tighten your skills, make more convincing/logical arguments, and take this advice as constructive criticism.

Ha ha ha- she's a communications major, too.

I agree her story wasn't anti-greek but I realize how her story come across that way. In real life, Kirsten does seem like one of those RARE few greeks that feel being in a sorority makes them better than "GDI's" and look down on others who aren't greek. Also to maintain any journalistic integrity writers of every paper should at least strive to be grammatically correct. That said it is a good message and needs to be said but maybe not by a writer who is so so unrelatable.