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Two players arrested following game (w/police reports)

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Two Georgia football players were arrested by University police during the weekend, one for DUI and another for a charge of requiring a license. Brandon Wood, a backup defensive tackle, was arrested and charged with DUI and lights required at 3:42 a.m. Sunday morning and was released on $1,750 bond, while Vince Vance, a junior offensive lineman, was arrested for requiring a license at 9:29 p....

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Winslo

posted 10/20/08 @ 9:25 AM EST

1) Are any of those listed above college material in the first place ?

2) Most of the football players have their hands held for going to practice, going to class, studying, tutoring, etc., etc. Why isn't someone assigned to hold their hand 24 hours a day ?
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TopDawg

posted 10/20/08 @ 11:36 AM EST

Forget championships. Heck, forget winning games. Mark Richt needs to see if his team of thugs can make it a month without having anyone drunk or in jail.
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CoastalDawg

posted 10/20/08 @ 11:45 AM EST

• "Offensive linemen Justin Anderson and Trinton Sturdivant - Arrested for assaulting a pregnant woman on campus. Neither player received a suspension and charges were later dropped." They were charged with touching a pregnant woman's belly, hardly an assault charge. The fact that she decided against prosecuting them in court speaks for itself - an arrest that never should have been made. IF she felt strongly enough to charge the men with anything she should have been told how to spend the money to take out a warrant against them.
Now, lest anyone feel that I am excusing the behavior of these players I definitely am NOT, especially when it comes to arrests involving alcohol particularly if driving while under the influence. One time is one time too many - when an athlete is recruited THAT is the time to explain to him and his family that even ONE incident involving drinking alcohol will result in being dismissed from the team and withdrawal of the scholarship if the player is on scholarship. UGA is getting the same picture that University of Miami had for so many years, and that is that the team is out of control even though only a small percentage of them actually ARE. Tough love has to be put into practice - I know that fans will be upset and won't like suspensions and/or dismissals of key players but isn't the welfare of the team as a whole and the lesson learned by the athlete more valuable than his playing on a team after committing known alcohol offenses? Coach Richt is in a very tough position because in essence he's a father by proxy to these young men. Most of them actually DO behave and bring character to the team but when one doesn't, it's time to cut bait or fish. He HAS released a few players but it's time to toughen the policy beginning with the recruitment process. What ever happened to Ian Smith and to Scott Haverkamp? I know that Scott is gone after a promising start as a Bulldog, but have no idea bout Ian. Both of them had at least two serious alcohol related incidents to the point of passing out from over consumption of alcohol, two physically large men for whom it must have taken a lot of alcohol to put them in that state. Coach, step up and tell your recruiters to make the recruit and his family aware that criminal activity and alcohol related issues will NOT be tolerated and will result in immediate dismissal from the team. REAL fans will agree and just maybe after a few of those happen newbies will realize that they are living out someone else's dream and will conduct themselves as representatives of the university SHOULD conduct themselves. So far none has caused any great damage to himself or others but it's only a matter of time until that will happen and then wait for the outcry. Not playing a game might be a bit of a letdown for a player but in reality it does little to remind him for the reason he's not on the field. Alcohol has become an acceptable event in university life and that's dangerous to everyone involved. On last Saturday a young woman, I decline to call her a lady, was so drunk in the west end zone student section that police were supporting her as she was being escorted out of the stadium. That's a sad commentary on her and her family and really should have been shown on the big screen and national TV - maybe a little humiliation would help her to control herself. IF a player or any other student who is of age just MUST drink alcohol, there are times and places to do so but being in public or attempting to drive a car are both disqualified as being proper.
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Winslo

posted 10/20/08 @ 12:11 PM EST

Underage alcohol consumption by students (especially ON campus) can be controlled very easily with two steps but no one (including the President Adams) will do it.

1) First offense - you lose all credits for the semester you are in up to and including the first day of the next semester - period, end of discussion, no loopholes. If you are a graduating senior in your last semester guess what? You get the privelege of going to UGA one more semester.

2) Second offense - permanent expulsion from the University AND loss of credits for that semester.

Anyone out there have the guts to implement this? After all, this generation of students has been raised under "NO TOLERANCE" policies all through elementary, middle and high school so this really shouldn't be a problem - right educators ??
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Cappie

posted 10/20/08 @ 12:34 PM EST

Originally posted by

Winslo

 Underage alcohol consumption by students (especially ON campus) can be controlled very easily with two steps but no one (including the President Adams) will do it.

1) First offense - you lose all credits for the semester you are in up to and including the first day of the next semester - period, end of discussion, no loopholes. If you are a graduating senior in your last semester guess what? You get the privelege of going to UGA one more semester.

2) Second offense - permanent expulsion from the University AND loss of credits for that semester.

Anyone out there have the guts to implement this? After all, this generation of students has been raised under "NO TOLERANCE" policies all through elementary, middle and high school so this really shouldn't be a problem - right educators ??


Winslo, do you ever wonder why this is in fact not implemented? "No Tolerance" obviously doesn't work...neither does punishing 18 year college kids for drinking beer.
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Winslo

posted 10/20/08 @ 1:02 PM EST

To Cappie:

It's works JUST FINE in our elementary, middle and high schools.

Try drawing Marines charging up the beach at Iwo Jima WiTH GUNS in middle school and see what happens !

If it's good for the kids it's good for the knuckleheads.
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SD

posted 10/20/08 @ 1:25 PM EST

Wow, I guess UGA is #1 in something.
The UGA football program is a joke. Yes, 18-22 year olds make mistakes, but this pattern, with this many athletes is ridiculous. So if the rule is ten percent, does Wood get suspended for LSU and 1st Quarter againt UF?
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wtf??!!

posted 10/20/08 @ 4:29 PM EST

why is it so difficult for these players to obey the f++king rules???! YOURE NOT CELEBRITIES! the law applies to you just like it applies to everyone else. why is that so hard to understand?! if i were a student athlete i would be so grateful and feel so blessed that i would NEVER drive while intoxicated, never go to a bar downtown unless i were 21 (and the coach allowed it), and NEVER drive with an expired license! give me one valid excuse for any of these arrest! **for the record, i think touching the pregnant bitch was a bullshit arrest.
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Cappie

posted 10/20/08 @ 5:24 PM EST

Originally posted by

wtf??!!

 why is it so difficult for these players to obey the f++king rules???! YOURE NOT CELEBRITIES! the law applies to you just like it applies to everyone else. why is that so hard to understand?! if i were a student athlete i would be so grateful and feel so blessed that i would NEVER drive while intoxicated, never go to a bar downtown unless i were 21 (and the coach allowed it), and NEVER drive with an expired license! give me one valid excuse for any of these arrest! **for the record, i think touching the pregnant bitch was a bullshit arrest.


Winslo,
Let me get this straight...you're saying that since "No Tolerance" campaigning worked in middle school then there is no reason it shouldn't work in college? I hate to say this, but you must be completely retarded. Seriously, that is one of the most idiotic things I've ever heard. I don't recall being offered a drink at my eighth grade graduation. Kids in middle school and high school students aren't in the drinking culture that college students are. They aren't legal adults. They live with their parents who should be introducing them to responsible drinking instead of sending them off to college with no idea how to drink. Terrible comparison.

wtf??!!,
If you really think the football players aren't celebrities on campus, than you don't go to UGA. I'm not saying they should be celebrities, but it is simply the fact of the matter. Football players get arrested just like students do. Don't get more pissed at them than you do other students. They're on scholarship? So is every entering freshman at UGA. They get free room and board? Yea but they give up all their time and bodies to UGA football. I'm not saying it's a bad tradeoff, but they're certainly putting in the work.
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Winslo

posted 10/20/08 @ 5:57 PM EST

To Cappie:

You are missing my point. Let's try this again.

I wasn't talking necessarily about drinking in elementary or middle schoolalthough I'm sure that's a no no there also. I was talking about ALL of their ZERO tolerance policies from fighting, to drawing a picture of a gun to taking an aspirin without permission, etc., etc., etc.

Personally, I think ZERO tolerance in schools is wrong. It raises a generation of "brainwashed" kids who become judges, bosses, policemen, military officers, doctors, legislators, etc. with a ZERO TOLERANCE MINDSET and that is not a good thing.

My larger point was, that since you have been "brainwashed this way since kindergarten it shouldn't be a problem for you now ............. you know the rules. Busted and your out !

By the way, when I was in elementary school we whittled and played "mumblypeg" with our pocket knives during recess and had lots of fun drawing soldiers and tanks and planes and guns while our teacher was reading goofy nursery rhymes ................... :o)

So, is it the students or the knives that have gone bad ?
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Cappie

posted 10/20/08 @ 6:19 PM EST

Originally posted by

Winslo

 To Cappie:

You are missing my point. Let's try this again.

I wasn't talking necessarily about drinking in elementary or middle schoolalthough I'm sure that's a no no there also. I was talking about ALL of their ZERO tolerance policies from fighting, to drawing a picture of a gun to taking an aspirin without permission, etc., etc., etc.

Personally, I think ZERO tolerance in schools is wrong. It raises a generation of "brainwashed" kids who become judges, bosses, policemen, military officers, doctors, legislators, etc. with a ZERO TOLERANCE MINDSET and that is not a good thing.

My larger point was, that since you have been "brainwashed this way since kindergarten it shouldn't be a problem for you now ............. you know the rules. Busted and your out !

By the way, when I was in elementary school we whittled and played "mumblypeg" with our pocket knives during recess and had lots of fun drawing soldiers and tanks and planes and guns while our teacher was reading goofy nursery rhymes ................... :o)

So, is it the students or the knives that have gone bad ?


So you think zero tolerance is bad. Okay. But then you also think it works? Not a very consistent stance. I'm basing this on your belief that the brainwashed kids should not the rules and consequences and it should be easy for them now.

Well all I'm saying is that it doesn't work and neither does alcohol regulation for kids in college. Our laws have clearly failed us in this area. Can you really disagree?
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Winslo

posted 10/20/08 @ 9:48 PM EST

To Cappie:

Yes I still disagree.

My point is there are too many ridiculous "zero policies" in our schools. That's why I am against most of them as "brainwashing/political correctness" issues. For example, drawing a Marine charging up the beach with his M-1 is an example of one of those ridiculous policies. Bringing an M-1 to school is not.

Alcohol consumption (or intoxication) on a college campus is a "reasonable" zero tolerance policy.
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Cappie

posted 10/20/08 @ 11:26 PM EST

Originally posted by

Winslo

 To Cappie:

Yes I still disagree.

My point is there are too many ridiculous "zero policies" in our schools. That's why I am against most of them as "brainwashing/political correctness" issues. For example, drawing a Marine charging up the beach with his M-1 is an example of one of those ridiculous policies. Bringing an M-1 to school is not.

Alcohol consumption (or intoxication) on a college campus is a "reasonable" zero tolerance policy.


Why in regards to alcohol policy do you separate "reasonable" and "effective"? It's clearly not effective.
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Alum

posted 10/20/08 @ 10:50 PM EST

Arresting someone for driving without a license? Give me a break. A warning would suffice. The Athens PD sure knows where to pick its fights.
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Winslo

posted 10/21/08 @ 12:47 AM EST

Originally posted by

Alum

 Arresting someone for driving without a license? Give me a break. A warning would suffice. The Athens PD sure knows where to pick its fights.


To Alum: If you left it at home that's one thing but if it's suspended or you never got one ........... ASSUME THE POSITION AND TAKE THE RIDE BUDDY !!!

Or is that just for illegals ??
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graduate

posted 10/21/08 @ 10:49 AM EST

Expired by a week? Give me a break. Licenses last for 5 years, so forgetting to renew it is an easy mistake. Shouldn't have even been in the newspaper, and wouldn't have been if he wasn't who he was.
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Winslo

posted 10/21/08 @ 12:45 AM EST

To Cappie:

It's kind of like the death penalty. It's "effective" to the one who gets tossed out of UGA (after botching a second chance) and little by little the great majority of the rest catch on! There is no Constitutional right to an education at UGA. You can always finish up somewhere else.

If implemented, it would be "quite" effective. The problem .......... all the alumni would whine to President Adams about their little babies.
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Cappie

posted 10/21/08 @ 11:26 AM EST

The vast majority of studies show that the death penalty is in fact not an effective deterrent so I'm not sure that's a good example.

You make the point that such a policy would be socially unacceptable. Why beat a dead horse then in arguing for its implementation? As with the drinking age, it's clear that a large segment of society completely disregard this law. Isn't there a more realistic approach that could be taken?
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ummm....

posted 10/21/08 @ 4:18 PM EST

you can't be arrested for an expired license. his license was obviously suspended (failure to appear etc.) or he never had one in the first place. learn the law...then complain if appropriate.
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well....

posted 10/21/08 @ 8:54 PM EST

Originally posted by

ummm....

 you can't be arrested for an expired license. his license was obviously suspended (failure to appear etc.) or he never had one in the first place. learn the law...then complain if appropriate.


that's exactly what he was arrested for!! i think university police needs to learn the law...
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unlicensed

posted 10/21/08 @ 9:05 PM EST

Originally posted by

ummm....

 you can't be arrested for an expired license. his license was obviously suspended (failure to appear etc.) or he never had one in the first place. learn the law...then complain if appropriate.


He was arrested for being an unlicensed driver. If you read the incident report, you would see that he presented a learner's permit that was expired. He didn't have a driver's license.
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Law man

posted 10/22/08 @ 9:56 AM EST

Originally posted by

ummm....

 you can't be arrested for an expired license. his license was obviously suspended (failure to appear etc.) or he never had one in the first place. learn the law...then complain if appropriate.


This is correct.

Having an expired license is NOT a bondable offense. Driving while unlicensed or driving with a suspended/revoked license is bondable.

Bondable = forced to pay bond = going to jail.
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