The Red and Black

Originally posted by

Patrick

What the hell is a hate crime? Why is 1 murder more hateful than another murder?
If 1 transgendered person murders another transgendered person, Is that a hate crime?
If a transgendered person murders a white straight male why is this any less hateful than the other way around?
Why the hell should "hate" itself be a crime. Aren't all murders equally hateful?

I don't mean to draw attention from any poor soul who was murdered in cold blood. Rest in peace

A hate crime is an act of terrorism against a group of people. If a tranny is killed solely for being a tranny, the victims of the crime are all trannies, not just that specific one that was killed.

If someone killed you just because you're white, or redneck, or too unintelligent to grasp the fairly simple concept of what a hate crime is, it would be an act of terrorism against all stupid or bigoted people.

Now you know.

Originally posted by

Patrick

What the hell is a hate crime? Why is 1 murder more hateful than another murder?
If 1 transgendered person murders another transgendered person, Is that a hate crime?
If a transgendered person murders a white straight male why is this any less hateful than the other way around?
Why the hell should "hate" itself be a crime. Aren't all murders equally hateful?

I don't mean to draw attention from any poor soul who was murdered in cold blood. Rest in peace

Anon:

If a tranny is killed solely for being a tranny, and the murderer is punished to a greater degree because of this, then you are punishing thought. It is silly to punish someone differently for a crime based on what emotion or feeling was going on in their head at the time the crime occurred.

Now is killing a white or redneck or unintelligent person less of a crime? and does it deserve less of a punishment? No one can argue that. that in itself if bigoted. Why is one life more valuable?

by your logic, killing a white person just because he is white would be a greater hate crime because there are more victims (all white people). Killing a tranny in a fit of rage has fewer victims (all trannies).

All murderers should get the worst punishment possible, regardless of what they were thinking at the time of the crime. How could you possibly punish me any more for killing you than you would be punished for killing me.

Thought should not be a crime.

Originally posted by

Patrick

What the hell is a hate crime? Why is 1 murder more hateful than another murder?
If 1 transgendered person murders another transgendered person, Is that a hate crime?
If a transgendered person murders a white straight male why is this any less hateful than the other way around?
Why the hell should "hate" itself be a crime. Aren't all murders equally hateful?

I don't mean to draw attention from any poor soul who was murdered in cold blood. Rest in peace

A hate crime is an act of terrorism against a group of people. If a tranny is killed solely for being a tranny, the victims of the crime are all trannies, not just that specific one that was killed.

If someone killed you just because you're white, or redneck, or too unintelligent to grasp the fairly simple concept of what a hate crime is, it would be an act of terrorism against all stupid or bigoted people.

Now you know.

Anon:

You would be WRONG. The only groups protected by the hate crime statute are recognized social minorities. If I commit crimes against dumbasses solely for the fact that they are dumbasses and I target that subset of the population, it is not a hate crime. Now, if I commit a crime against a social minority (based on sexual orientation, ethnicity, etc.) and I target that subset of the population, then I will be tried for a hate crime.

As previously stated, a problem with hate crimes that it is a form of thought-policing. Furthermore, minorities are afforded more protection under the law than someone like me who is not a social minority because of the hate crime statute. That, my friends, is a violation of equal protection clause guaranteed by the 14th Amendment.

Originally posted by

Patrick

What the hell is a hate crime? Why is 1 murder more hateful than another murder?
If 1 transgendered person murders another transgendered person, Is that a hate crime?
If a transgendered person murders a white straight male why is this any less hateful than the other way around?
Why the hell should "hate" itself be a crime. Aren't all murders equally hateful?

I don't mean to draw attention from any poor soul who was murdered in cold blood. Rest in peace

We already prosecute "thought" crimes. For example, downloading child pornography off the internet. There is no victim in that simple act, as the photo has been taken by someone else (who committed an "act" crime), but the act of downloading the image harms no one per se.

Surely you don't want to rid the books of laws pertaining to downloading child porn, right?

As for the killing-dumbasses-because-they're-dumbasses; clearly I was joking. If you didn't get that, well, I wonder how you got into this school.

Originally posted by

Patrick

What the hell is a hate crime? Why is 1 murder more hateful than another murder?
If 1 transgendered person murders another transgendered person, Is that a hate crime?
If a transgendered person murders a white straight male why is this any less hateful than the other way around?
Why the hell should "hate" itself be a crime. Aren't all murders equally hateful?

I don't mean to draw attention from any poor soul who was murdered in cold blood. Rest in peace

We already prosecute "thought" crimes. For example, downloading child pornography off the internet. There is no victim in that simple act, as the photo has been taken by someone else (who committed an "act" crime), but the act of downloading the image harms no one per se.

Surely you don't want to rid the books of laws pertaining to downloading child porn, right?

As for the killing-dumbasses-because-they're-dumbasses; clearly I was joking. If you didn't get that, well, I wonder how you got into this school.

Anon:

The reason possessing child pornography is illegal is because a child has to be involved in the process. (As cited by the US Supreme Court in their ruling against child porn possession.)

So possession of child porn is not a thought crime because having the material perpetuates the abuse of children in the industry. Duh

[QUOTE]The reason possessing child pornography is illegal is because a child has to be involved in the process. (As cited by the US Supreme Court in their ruling against child porn possession.)

So possession of child porn is not a thought crime because having the material perpetuates the abuse of children in the industry. Duh[/QUOTE]No, the only person who actually harmed the child is the person who staged and took the photograph. If one or 100 people download the image, there's no actual damage inflicted upon the child that hasn't already been done. It's not 100 times worse if 100 people download the image. If you continue to fail to grasp this simple concept, perhaps a logic course is in order for you?

Originally posted by

Winslo

Patrick:

You are so correct. All of this is nothing more than an attempt by liberals to control "thought". It's just the first step.

In Canada, right now, a minister cannot preach on the radio that homosexuality is a sin (as the Bible clearly states). Now, you may not believe the Bible, or that it's a sin but the issue is one of "free speech". If he does, he is fined heavily.

It's coming here ....................

Greg Wilson you are a fatass douche bag who does what Mommy and Daddy tell you to.

You might want to try homosexuality - it'll be the only way that you'll lose your virginity.

Originally posted by

Winslo

Patrick:

You are so correct. All of this is nothing more than an attempt by liberals to control "thought". It's just the first step.

In Canada, right now, a minister cannot preach on the radio that homosexuality is a sin (as the Bible clearly states). Now, you may not believe the Bible, or that it's a sin but the issue is one of "free speech". If he does, he is fined heavily.

It's coming here ....................

I don't know how you got into UGA if you seriously believe the first amendment is going away any time soon. That's outlandishly ridiculous.

Originally posted by

Winslo

Patrick:

You are so correct. All of this is nothing more than an attempt by liberals to control "thought". It's just the first step.

In Canada, right now, a minister cannot preach on the radio that homosexuality is a sin (as the Bible clearly states). Now, you may not believe the Bible, or that it's a sin but the issue is one of "free speech". If he does, he is fined heavily.

It's coming here ....................

I think you're citing Leviticus 18:22 when you say what "the Bible clearly states", and if you read the passage, I think you might find it not all that clear. If you continue on to Leviticus 19:19, another law laid down says not to wear a shirt woven from two different materials... I think we're all guilty of an occasional poly/cotton blend, aren't we? And since these two laws are from the same book, shouldn't they be equal in effect? Yet you don't see poly/cotton bashers around...

Also, who said that transgender had anything to do with homosexuality?

One argument for tg people is that at birth, a child may have secondary sex characteristics for both male and female. The gender assignment is then left up to the doctor. Who's to say he makes the right call?

Originally posted by

Winslo

To Anon:

Never all at once. Just a creeping along - just like in Canada.

The old "Frog in the Kettle" ......

Don't keep your head in the sand too long .........

It's an AMENDMENT to the CONSTITUTION. That cannot go away without another amendment. Do you have any idea how hard it is to pass an amendment? Seriously. If you don't, look it up. It's almost impossible. It would take something WILDLY popular, and restricting free speech will never get 75%+ support in the USA in our lifetime. EVER.

If you're seriously that concerned, perhaps we can fashion some tin foil hats for you. Don't forget to remove any silver fillings - that's how the big bad brother tracks your every move!

Originally posted by

Winslo

To Anon:

Never all at once. Just a creeping along - just like in Canada.

The old "Frog in the Kettle" ......

Don't keep your head in the sand too long .........

Winslo, what drugs did you do in Vietnam?