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Jilani column draws strong criticismsZaid Jilani, In his Feb. 28 column, says, "Iran has never been an aggressor in its existence." How are we to define aggressor? During the Jimmy Carter White House vacation, Tehran students seized the American embassy in '79 until day one of President Reagan's administration....

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Bill

posted 3/02/07 @ 9:30 AM EST

Chris, quite frankly you're wrong. First of all, a bar, or any other private business for that matter, cannot have "whatever policy it wishes regarding who it serves." There are definite limits to how they can exclude. A business cannot refuse service to a customer based on race, religion, sex, or a number of other protected categories. Go ask a law professor, if you care to verify all this.

Second of all: If a case were ever made, and fully pursued, out of one of these clubs' refusal to admit someone for wearing a backwards hat or jewelry around their neck, a court might very well find that the club was discriminating against a certain race through it's "dress code." If the plaintiff can show that there is no reason for the exclusion of jewelry on men and backwards caps other than to keep a certain race of people out of your establishment, then the bar will almost certainly lose. And you know what, Chris? I can't think of any rational reason to exclude male jewelry and backwards caps from my establishment. It certainly wouldn't keep out any more guns or knives. I guess it would keep black people, who wear such clothing with far greater frequency than whites, out though. Geez, that dress code sounds kinda racist to me when I step through it logically like that.

I'll give you this, Chris. The policy to exclude blacks from the bars probably isn't based on anything as malicious as white supremacy. It's more likely based on the fact that a violent incident occurred at a bar mostly attended by blacks a couple of years ago, and the antiquated thought that black people are just naturally more violent than white people, so that if you keep blacks out of your neighborhood or establishment, you'll have fewer problems with violence and other criminal activity. But the fact is, Chris, that's still pretty damned racist.

Cletus

posted 3/02/07 @ 11:56 AM EST

Originally posted by

Bill

Chris, quite frankly you're wrong. First of all, a bar, or any other private business for that matter, cannot have "whatever policy it wishes regarding who it serves." There are definite limits to how they can exclude. A business cannot refuse service to a customer based on race, religion, sex, or a number of other protected categories. Go ask a law professor, if you care to verify all this.

Second of all: If a case were ever made, and fully pursued, out of one of these clubs' refusal to admit someone for wearing a backwards hat or jewelry around their neck, a court might very well find that the club was discriminating against a certain race through it's "dress code." If the plaintiff can show that there is no reason for the exclusion of jewelry on men and backwards caps other than to keep a certain race of people out of your establishment, then the bar will almost certainly lose. And you know what, Chris? I can't think of any rational reason to exclude male jewelry and backwards caps from my establishment. It certainly wouldn't keep out any more guns or knives. I guess it would keep black people, who wear such clothing with far greater frequency than whites, out though. Geez, that dress code sounds kinda racist to me when I step through it logically like that.

I'll give you this, Chris. The policy to exclude blacks from the bars probably isn't based on anything as malicious as white supremacy. It's more likely based on the fact that a violent incident occurred at a bar mostly attended by blacks a couple of years ago, and the antiquated thought that black people are just naturally more violent than white people, so that if you keep blacks out of your neighborhood or establishment, you'll have fewer problems with violence and other criminal activity. But the fact is, Chris, that's still pretty damned racist.



Last time I checked, blacks weren't the only ones who wore backwards hats, earrings, necklaces, etc. I see people of various backgrounds wearing "banned" clothing all the time. And, unless a court could prove that the dress code wasn't being enforced uniformly across all races, religions, and ethnicities, I don't think it would be ruled against, maybe based on sex discrimination since women can wear earrings and necklaces in many of these bars, but not race. I can think of several reasons to deny entrance based on dress. Several restaurants across America require jackets to be worn by men. Go to any major city in the USA or Europe, and nightclubs often enforce a dress code, and often times, it is for no reason other than the attire isn't trendy enough. Bars have target audiences just like any other business, and sometimes a dress code is required to satisfy that audience.

David Lee Lumpkin

posted 3/02/07 @ 10:55 AM EST

Bianca,
Just wanted to tell you that I couldn't agree more. I gave up on the R&B's fashion advice Fall semester of my sophomore year. I tried the trendy jeans, cool shoes, and I even got myself a "lid" with some Japanese symbol on it. I thought the ladies would dig it, but I ended up getting hit on by a bunch of guys from Gwinnett County (one WAS cute though).

I recommend that you do as I did and start hanging out near downtown. What you do is simple. Just wait until midnight when all the Greeks come out. Then all you have to do is see what they are wearing. COPY THEM!!! I know it sounds simple, but it worked for me.

fashion fan

posted 3/02/07 @ 8:17 PM EST

Bianca Sundell for new Fashion Writer!

Unimpressed Dawg

posted 3/03/07 @ 10:45 PM EST

The big fashion issues are being completely ignored. Clubs should ban any girl who wears Uggs with shorts, short skirts, or in temperatures above 10 degrees Fahrenheit. If you aren't truly concerned about losing toes to frostbite, then Uggs aren't for you! Clubs should ban anyone who designs a wardrobe around a color scheme of camouflage. Unless you're hunting deer in South Georgia or Bin Laden in Afghanistan, you don't need camouflage! Clubs should ban anyone who thinks pajama bottoms are legitimate cover for your sex organs and lower extremities even when outside your house (letting your dog out or running to grab the mail are exceptions). Clubs should ban anyone who thinks mesh trucker hats with adjustable straps are a legitimate headwear choice. Clubs should ban any guy who wears a button-down and a tie with frayed khakis that have holes in them - not because it looks good or bad but because it's just such a stupid message: "I'm a super-sporty frat boy who can come so close to respectable dress but just can't be bothered with seeing the kindergarten task of dressing myself all the way through. Pay no attention (but please notice) the holes in the butt, crotch, and knees of my khakis! This degree of carelessness requires lots of self-consciousness, but I want you to think I just rolled out of bed and was too cool to look in the mirror. I'm an 'ideas guy.' I'm the guy who's out there living, not wasting precious brain cells on how I look (but don't tell anyone how much work I put into this look). I don't have time to worry about image, so I hope you enjoy my carefully disheveled image!" Unfortunately, all of these are the slow-witted, dullards who are welcome in nearly every Athens bar.
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