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Obama's tie to financial crisis

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Time and time again we hear about the greedy bankers and predatory lenders who focused their efforts on the poor, defenseless homeowners who just wanted a home. What we don't hear enough about is how the blame for this financial mess is spread among bankers, politicians and risk-taking homeowners alike....

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Busted

posted 10/07/08 @ 9:23 AM EST

Did you actually read the rest of the NY Times article?

It says, "[The legislation] would not repeal the significant government subsidies granted to the two companies. And it does not alter the implicit guarantee that Washington will bail the companies out if they run into financial difficulty; that perception enables them to issue debt at significantly lower rates than their competitors. Nor would it remove the companies' exemptions from taxes and antifraud provisions of federal securities laws".

Not to infer, but the probable cause behind Obama's dislike for the bill was that it did not punish the failing companies for their blunders. It simply gave the (at the time) Republican majority the power to create a new division and fill it with people of their choosing. Given the track record of the house and senate when they were the majority, it seems like Obama made the right decision.

For those who want to read the NY Times article he is referencing in full, go to: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E06E3D6123BF932A2575AC0A9659C8B63&scp=1&sq=September%2011,%202003&st=cse

Busted ...again?

posted 10/07/08 @ 9:29 AM EST

If that's the case, McCain should look first to his campaign staffers as the cause of that debacle. One of them was Fannie Mae's head of lobbying, and spread tens of millions of dollars around Washington in the form of lobbying contracts. A number of McCain staffers were on the receiving end of those contracts, collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars each from the lenders to rep their interests. And McCain's campaign manager served as president of a lobbying association that fought to protect Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae from the sort of regulation that McCain is now proposing.

Busted, you're so smart!

posted 10/07/08 @ 12:21 PM EST

Originally posted by

Busted ...again?

If that's the case, McCain should look first to his campaign staffers as the cause of that debacle. One of them was Fannie Mae's head of lobbying, and spread tens of millions of dollars around Washington in the form of lobbying contracts. A number of McCain staffers were on the receiving end of those contracts, collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars each from the lenders to rep their interests. And McCain's campaign manager served as president of a lobbying association that fought to protect Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae from the sort of regulation that McCain is now proposing.


You sit there and say the Lobbyist are on McCain's staff, but you fail to mention that Franklin Raines and Jim Johnson, who are Obama's ECONOMIC advisors are so far waist deep in the Freddie and Fannie mess that it isn't even funny. They were both CEO's of Fannie Mae. And McCain was the co-author of the bill in 2005 that was suppose to put more regulation on Fannie and Freddie but was shot down by a party line vote from the Democrats. Now you tell me then, if McCain is so guilty from having these Lobbiest on his side, then why did he co-wrote a bill to put more regulation on them. A bill at which Obama turned down.
This article is EXCELENT! I was thinking about writing the red and black and seeing if I could basically say the same thing, but just got beaten to the punch. This is the truth and the facts, and Obama did recieve over $135,000 from Freddie and Fannie. This whole messed started in 1977 with the CRA's. Once government got involved in "encouraging" banks to make loans to people that had no right owning a home, the disater was set. Finally the truth is out there, let see how much kool-aid the Chosen One's followers have actually drank.

raines is NOT an advisor to obama

posted 10/07/08 @ 6:33 PM EST

from the washington post:

"The McCain campaign is clearly exaggerating wildly in attempting to depict Franklin Raines as a close adviser to Obama on 'housing and mortgage policy.' If we are to believe Raines, he did have a couple of telephone conversations with someone in the Obama campaign. But that hardly makes him an adviser to the candidate himself -- and certainly not in the way depicted in the McCain video release."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/09/obamas_fannie_mae_connection.html

Face Check

posted 10/07/08 @ 9:59 AM EST

"The New York Times has published a separate list looking at contributions from "directors, officers, and lobbyists for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac" for the 2008 campaign cycle. That list -- using figures from the Federal Election Commission -- shows McCain receiving $169,000, while Obama received only $16,000."

looks like they both received a large amount of money from people who work for and/or are associated with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac

Fac[t] Check

posted 10/07/08 @ 10:08 AM EST

Originally posted by

Face Check

"The New York Times has published a separate list looking at contributions from "directors, officers, and lobbyists for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac" for the 2008 campaign cycle. That list -- using figures from the Federal Election Commission -- shows McCain receiving $169,000, while Obama received only $16,000."

looks like they both received a large amount of money from people who work for and/or are associated with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac


I fail at typing

CoastalDawg

posted 10/07/08 @ 12:08 PM EST

The New Times, bastion of liberal news media, certainly a source that I would accept as gospel - NOT. Anyway, check all the figures you want but you will find that Barak Obama is second only to Chris Dodd. Barak Hussein Obama has already told us that he will take from the rich and give to the middle class, a Robin Hood-esque approach toward reassigning wealth in this country, the very opposite to what the American dream has always been. He has said that 95% of Americans would get a tax break under his administration, a 180 degree turn from earlier promises. But far less that 95% of the American population even PAY taxes so does that mean that those who don't pay any taxes will share in the earned revenue of the rich? Somehow the untruths told in the vice presidential debate by Senator Biden (One of the most remarkable is the fact that Senator Biden said that Obama never said he'd sit down with no prior restraints in place to speak with Iran's leader). Obama's take on government is frightening - look at Chicago's condition in all areas, Chicago, Obama's "turf", the place where he was a community committee leader, his one and only claim to any kind of leadership and there is great doubt about that leadership. No, I do NOT want a complete rookie, a man who is being paid as a senator but has only spent 147 days in congress before deciding he wants to run the ship, only dropping in occasionally to consider legislation. It's as if this country has been blinded by some type of "savior", a man who claims to be black, thus dismissing his white mother and instead claiming his race from a black father who did not stick around to help rear him. His associations with such people as William Ayers, not a disassociation, and Rev. Jeremiah Wright, another current disassociation, tell the story of who he has chosen for his "partners". Sorry, the only change that might possibly come if Barak Hussein Obama is elected will be frightening unless you happen to be a big money person, maybe a financial institution that needs another bailout. Go to You Tube and seek out a video called Burning Down the House concerning the financial disasters manipulated by Democrats over the years starting in modern times with Jimmy Carter's Community Reinvestment Act, followed by Bill Clinton's demand that lending institutions give money to those who could least afford to repay it, and on and on. Warnings by the Bush administration and attempts by John McCain to curb the wrong practices went unheeded and now we have this mess... Guess who?

Agreed

posted 10/07/08 @ 4:48 PM EST

Originally posted by

CoastalDawg

The New Times, bastion of liberal news media, certainly a source that I would accept as gospel - NOT. Anyway, check all the figures you want but you will find that Barak Obama is second only to Chris Dodd. Barak Hussein Obama has already told us that he will take from the rich and give to the middle class, a Robin Hood-esque approach toward reassigning wealth in this country, the very opposite to what the American dream has always been. He has said that 95% of Americans would get a tax break under his administration, a 180 degree turn from earlier promises. But far less that 95% of the American population even PAY taxes so does that mean that those who don't pay any taxes will share in the earned revenue of the rich? Somehow the untruths told in the vice presidential debate by Senator Biden (One of the most remarkable is the fact that Senator Biden said that Obama never said he'd sit down with no prior restraints in place to speak with Iran's leader). Obama's take on government is frightening - look at Chicago's condition in all areas, Chicago, Obama's "turf", the place where he was a community committee leader, his one and only claim to any kind of leadership and there is great doubt about that leadership. No, I do NOT want a complete rookie, a man who is being paid as a senator but has only spent 147 days in congress before deciding he wants to run the ship, only dropping in occasionally to consider legislation. It's as if this country has been blinded by some type of "savior", a man who claims to be black, thus dismissing his white mother and instead claiming his race from a black father who did not stick around to help rear him. His associations with such people as William Ayers, not a disassociation, and Rev. Jeremiah Wright, another current disassociation, tell the story of who he has chosen for his "partners". Sorry, the only change that might possibly come if Barak Hussein Obama is elected will be frightening unless you happen to be a big money person, maybe a financial institution that needs another bailout. Go to You Tube and seek out a video called Burning Down the House concerning the financial disasters manipulated by Democrats over the years starting in modern times with Jimmy Carter's Community Reinvestment Act, followed by Bill Clinton's demand that lending institutions give money to those who could least afford to repay it, and on and on. Warnings by the Bush administration and attempts by John McCain to curb the wrong practices went unheeded and now we have this mess... Guess who?


Here is a link to the youtube video. It is a great video that EVERYONE should watch!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4&eurl=http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=12608153&ref=profile

Ridiculous

posted 10/07/08 @ 4:04 PM EST

First of all, the Community Reinvestment Act signed in 1977 has nothing to do with today's credit crisis. The Community Reinvestment Act did not force banks to loan to low-income people, it simply declared that banks couldn't loan to low-income whites but not low-income blacks. Economists are almost entirely in agreement that the credit crisis was caused by Wall Street institutions dodging regulation.

Secondly, Obama never had a "career as a community organizer with the Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now. This is simply a complete lie. Obama did represent the organization in a successful anti-voter-suppression lawsuit, but he never worked for the organization as an organizer.

Finally, Neri's article suggests that Obama has received over $100,000 from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. This is hard to believe considering that the maximum contribution limit is $4600. The number he cites is the amount Obama received from all Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac employees. Using that logic, Obama has also received huge donations from Harvard University and the U.S. Army, both of whose employees have donated extensively to the Obama campaign.

I expect a little more journalistic integrity the next time Mr. Neri writes an editorial.

Very Ridiculous

posted 10/07/08 @ 4:44 PM EST

Originally posted by

Ridiculous

First of all, the Community Reinvestment Act signed in 1977 has nothing to do with today's credit crisis. The Community Reinvestment Act did not force banks to loan to low-income people, it simply declared that banks couldn't loan to low-income whites but not low-income blacks. Economists are almost entirely in agreement that the credit crisis was caused by Wall Street institutions dodging regulation.

Secondly, Obama never had a "career as a community organizer with the Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now. This is simply a complete lie. Obama did represent the organization in a successful anti-voter-suppression lawsuit, but he never worked for the organization as an organizer.

Finally, Neri's article suggests that Obama has received over $100,000 from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. This is hard to believe considering that the maximum contribution limit is $4600. The number he cites is the amount Obama received from all Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac employees. Using that logic, Obama has also received huge donations from Harvard University and the U.S. Army, both of whose employees have donated extensively to the Obama campaign.

I expect a little more journalistic integrity the next time Mr. Neri writes an editorial.


"The Community Reinvestment Act is intended to encourage depository institutions to help meet the credit needs of the communities in which they operate, including low- and moderate-income neighborhoods, consistent with safe and sound operations." Quote from the website, don't see anything in there about white and blacks? "The CRA requires that each depository institution's record in helping meet the credit needs of its entire community be evaluated periodically. That record is taken into account in considering an institution's application for deposit facilities." I like that it "REQUIRES" banks to help meet the credit needs of its entire community. They are also "evaluated". What that means, is if they don't give enough loans to low-income people, they get in trouble. So, while they are giving these bad loans, it was fine, because if/when people defaulted on their loans, the housing market was going up and the banks knew that they could just take the house and sell it to someone else. The only problem, is that the market was rising at such a high volume that there was a bubble. Then in the late 90's, Freddie and Fannie were going to GAURANTEE that they would buy these bad loans from investors. So banks knew they could sell them to market and didnt worry about it.

Secondly, Obama might not of been an employee of Acorn, but he worked with them a lot. Here is a quote from the 'Chosen One' himself, "I've been fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career. Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work."

Finally, you can even look this up. Top Recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Campaign Contributions, 1989-2008- 1. Christopher Dodd D-CT (Chairman of Senate Banking Committee), $133,900; 2. John Kerry, $111,000; 3. BARACK OBAMA, $105,849.

Maybe you should do a little more research before going after an article.

very very ridiculous

posted 10/07/08 @ 6:30 PM EST

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/09/update-fannie-mae-and-freddie.html

see how it says "from individuals?" that means its from individuals employed by the company, not from the company itself.

meanwhile mccain's campaign chief actually lobbied for freddie mac and received at least $345,000 directly from the company, more than triple the amount obama got from EMPLOYEES of fannie mae and freddie mac combined.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/160561

Ok

posted 10/07/08 @ 6:47 PM EST

Originally posted by

Ridiculous

First of all, the Community Reinvestment Act signed in 1977 has nothing to do with today's credit crisis. The Community Reinvestment Act did not force banks to loan to low-income people, it simply declared that banks couldn't loan to low-income whites but not low-income blacks. Economists are almost entirely in agreement that the credit crisis was caused by Wall Street institutions dodging regulation.

Secondly, Obama never had a "career as a community organizer with the Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now. This is simply a complete lie. Obama did represent the organization in a successful anti-voter-suppression lawsuit, but he never worked for the organization as an organizer.

Finally, Neri's article suggests that Obama has received over $100,000 from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. This is hard to believe considering that the maximum contribution limit is $4600. The number he cites is the amount Obama received from all Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac employees. Using that logic, Obama has also received huge donations from Harvard University and the U.S. Army, both of whose employees have donated extensively to the Obama campaign.

I expect a little more journalistic integrity the next time Mr. Neri writes an editorial.


Ok, but where is McCain on that list? Oh yeah, he is down near the very bottom. An advisor received all this money, but Obama's advisors were CEO's of the company. Think they received just a little more than $300,000...but that is just a guess. I am guessing somewhere in the multi-millions, what do you say? And yes, they might be from "individuals", but it is still money FROM F&F. Which has been the arguement the whole time! You think these "individuals" want Obama in office so he can take care of their little problems they have? Just think about that, these "individuals" are employees of F&F. The same company that McCain wanted to regulate back in 2005 because he listen to Alan Greenspan when he came out and said that F&F are growing too fast and if they continue, there will be a huge systmatic risk to our economy....look it up.

ok...

posted 10/08/08 @ 2:56 PM EST

Ok, by that logic, the U.S. Army endorses Obama, because troops have donated more money to obama than mccain. if fannie and freddie employees donating to obama=fannie and freddie endorsing obama, then troops donating to obama=military endorsing obama.

Troops the same as F&F?

posted 10/08/08 @ 6:15 PM EST

Originally posted by

Ridiculous

First of all, the Community Reinvestment Act signed in 1977 has nothing to do with today's credit crisis. The Community Reinvestment Act did not force banks to loan to low-income people, it simply declared that banks couldn't loan to low-income whites but not low-income blacks. Economists are almost entirely in agreement that the credit crisis was caused by Wall Street institutions dodging regulation.

Secondly, Obama never had a "career as a community organizer with the Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now. This is simply a complete lie. Obama did represent the organization in a successful anti-voter-suppression lawsuit, but he never worked for the organization as an organizer.

Finally, Neri's article suggests that Obama has received over $100,000 from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. This is hard to believe considering that the maximum contribution limit is $4600. The number he cites is the amount Obama received from all Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac employees. Using that logic, Obama has also received huge donations from Harvard University and the U.S. Army, both of whose employees have donated extensively to the Obama campaign.

I expect a little more journalistic integrity the next time Mr. Neri writes an editorial.


I don't understand how the troops giving donations is the same as donations from F&F employees? Are the troops corrupt? Are they the reason why we are in this economic crisis? No, they are over there fighting for our freedom and may god bless everyone of them, but I don't understand how you can say that donations from the troops is the same as donations from Freddie and Fannie? The whole arguement here is that Obama has received over $100,000 in donations from a company that's terrible decisions and risky buying of loans put us in this mess! Not who is getting more donations from the troops, which by the way, ok, 120 troops out of how many thousands, donated to obama? Yes, it is much more than McCain, but that doesn't really tell the whole story, I support McCain but I haven't donated any money to him.

nice

posted 10/07/08 @ 5:21 PM EST

Nicely put. Unfortunately I doubt Obama supporters will actually read the article. They are too blinded by HOPE and CHANGE to listen to FACTS and LOGIC. At least you tried, man. Nice article!

Nice....idiot.

posted 10/07/08 @ 5:30 PM EST

Originally posted by

nice

Nicely put. Unfortunately I doubt Obama supporters will actually read the article. They are too blinded by HOPE and CHANGE to listen to FACTS and LOGIC. At least you tried, man. Nice article!


From the comments, it looks like Obama supporters are the majority of the people reading the article (and whistleblowing like crazy on its discrepencies). For a McCain supporter to say anything about FACTS and LOGIC is laughable considering both himself and his running mate do an excellent job taking facts out of context (thus turning them into lies) and consider logic the ability to not answer a question without their supporters noticing.

Good job, nothing.

Andy Delano

posted 10/08/08 @ 8:35 PM EST

Originally posted by

nice

Nicely put. Unfortunately I doubt Obama supporters will actually read the article. They are too blinded by HOPE and CHANGE to listen to FACTS and LOGIC. At least you tried, man. Nice article!


"From the comments, it looks like Obama supporters are the majority of the people reading the article (and whistleblowing like crazy on its discrepencies). For a McCain supporter to say anything about FACTS and LOGIC is laughable considering both himself and his running mate do an excellent job taking facts out of context (thus turning them into lies) and consider logic the ability to not answer a question without their supporters noticing.

Good job, nothing."



SO...Obama and his running mate (and every other politician) DON'T take facts out of context?

Alex Busko

posted 10/08/08 @ 2:56 AM EST

google the Keating Five scandal and stop bickering. McCain and Palin must think people in this country have the memory capacity of insects.

The Truth from Greenville

posted 10/08/08 @ 9:13 AM EST

Talk about a strrr-etch ... is Neri's next article going to be about how Obama's role in FEMA's poor performance post-Katrina or that Obama ultimately was the reason we pulled our best troops out of the assault on Tora Bora or gas lines in Atlanta?

The Truth Hurts

posted 10/08/08 @ 12:39 PM EST

The truth is, Obama had his hand in so many extreme activist causes since the inception of his political career that he is not the moderate he pretends to be throughout the campaign. Mr. Neri's article successfully accomplishes shedding light on Obama's early "career" as a community organizer that he so pride's himself on. Ironically enough, ACORN (with which Obama was closely associated with throughout his early career) is now under investigation for voter fraud in certain battleground states. Evidence points to the organization registering the same person up to 8 times. McCain was exonerated from the Keating Five scandal. The figures in the article ARE correct as stated with Obama being the #3 recipient of campaign contributions from the two GSEs along with Chris Dodd and John Kerry in 1st and 2nd place. Another thing I find interesting is how we assume Mr. Neri is in complete support of John McCain. Could it be that he was just pointing out the faults of one candidate and how they relate to the current crisis? Those of you who doubt the numbers, look them up.

ChicagoBob

posted 10/09/08 @ 10:08 AM EST

Look at Altged gardens you koolaid drinkers.
Look at the Chicago public schools and the
mess they are in.
Look at all the things that Obama was involved
in and ask WHAT has he fixed?
Have you asked what policies he made while in Spingfield
or anywhere else that actually fixed anything.
Altged gardens STILL a mess.
Chicago Schools still a mess.
Safety in Chicago? No gangs run several neighborhoods.

He is a product of the Chicago Machine and Emil Jones.
Chicago and Il is one of the most corupt states in the Union and you trust this guy?

You koolaid drinking groupies forget that while in office
Obama has asked from more Ear marks than any other.
In fact he thinks they are small change 18billion.
WOW Give me some change..
Let me add that the recent bailout had a small change
ear marks totalling what 150BILLION dollars.
Thats the democrats under the table payoff's to cronies.

So Saturduay night live puts up a funny skit about the
democrats and what happens? Censorship!
Thats what happens.
See if you cant win cheat thats the Chicago political way.
Censor those that oppose. Thats what the all Obmam all the time media does.
Get Acorn to go out and stuff ballet boxes. Yeah thats the old Chicago way going national.

STOP drinking that koolaid long enough to ask where is the
record of any bipartisanship? When has he got
TOUGH things done? Oh yeah he hasnt.
Dont tell me he hasnt had enough time thats just an excuse.
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