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Don't believe the hype: the real state of the Athens music scene

Abstract:
I need sedatives every time I hear about how "awesome" the Athens music scene is. Too many people and too many papers praise our small town for its strong musical culture, so I thought I'd take a slightly different approach. How can I put this? Today's local bands suck....

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Sloan Simpson

posted 11/29/07 @ 11:07 AM EST

Wow. I guess maybe all young writers go through this phase, but if you're going to do this type of piece you really should do some homework. There's nothing of substance, just random "maybe-this'll-stick" jabs at bands you don't have the nerve to name?

I encourage you to browse some of the music at my website, www.southernshelter.com where you can listen for free to dozens of Athens bands you are apparently unaware of.

What's that they say about day jobs?

Bo

posted 11/29/07 @ 12:20 PM EST

I'm with Sloan. Ridiculous article.

tony

posted 11/29/07 @ 12:31 PM EST

Derp sounds awesome.
you sound like someone who knows nothing about the community they live in.

jay

posted 11/29/07 @ 1:03 PM EST

wow, sounds like a frustrated musician to me....bet you did a lot of research for this one....

Mary Beth

posted 11/29/07 @ 1:11 PM EST

It's difficult to believe you and I live in the same town, sir. We definitely don't attend the same shows.

Grab a Flagpole, visit Sloan's site, and ask around a little. You might actually find a band (or ten) that you really like.

Erika Frank

posted 11/29/07 @ 1:37 PM EST

The current Athens music scene is so diverse that everyone should be able to find something they like if they're willing to do some exploring and travel west of Lumpkin St. I've lived in Athens for 18 years and was the Local Music Director at WUOG in 2006 and have found the music scene to be constantly changing and impossible to pin down as succinctly as Mr. Griffin attempts.

I wouldn't trust the opinion of someone who claims to know definitively "what music is supposed to be" and, after maybe living in Athens for 2-3 years tops, also has the audacity to make recommendations on how to keep this town "on the right track". Hope no Red and Black reader actually takes this guy seriously.

Julia

posted 11/29/07 @ 2:10 PM EST

I was going to keep my mouth shut, but I can't.

Hate to be so sensitive, but I'm pretty much personally offended by this. Appalling article. As someone who's written pieces for the R&B before, I understand what it's like to be on deadline and just have to come up with something to say real quick. Hell, I'm not sure I even actually thought what I wrote in my column a couple years ago was true. But this is just miserable. The music scene is not responsible for your stupidity or laziness. The good things are there, and astonishingly easy to get to in Athens. You just have to get off your couch and go find them. And stop passing off unsubstantiated negativity as journalism.

JC

posted 11/29/07 @ 2:28 PM EST

Dude, maybe you should try getting laid and lighten up. Folksy, blues rock?

Townie

posted 11/29/07 @ 3:08 PM EST

Wow.
You guys have already said it well but this is really flimsy.
Chuck, go see: Hope For agoldensummer, Kenosha Kid, Dark Meat, Cinemechanica, Ginger Envelope, Ishues, Some Animal, Music Hates You, Modern Skirts or Mouser and then see if you can write the same article.
I really want to know how many shows he goes to - and I guarantee I already know the answer: not many.

Rebecca

posted 11/29/07 @ 3:13 PM EST

You're obviously very out of touch when it comes to Athens music. Some of the most exciting things go on at unadvertised house shows, but it doesn't seem like you've attempted to seek those out, as much as you claim to be a fan of DIY. It is possible to generalize certain areas of Athens music, if you are aware of these bands (who have made the pages of various national magazines, so it's not like they're irrelevant outside the area). Lots of twee, lots of weird costumes and melodicas, etc. But the particular way you've done so just demonstrates your ignorance to anything outside the main venues.

Desktop Publisher

posted 11/29/07 @ 3:44 PM EST

Maybe you should just worry less about what the critics say, and go find the Athens Music Scene that YOU love. And though that's what you are trying to say here, I just don't believe that you have tried hard enough. Seriously, you'll thank us by the time you are a senior.

And if you really did search hard, and didn't find much, then I would guess you are just not much of a music fan to begin with, if that's the case. Because there is (almost) something for everyone here.

Ben

posted 11/29/07 @ 3:48 PM EST

This letter is in response to Chuck Griffin's bashing of the Athens music scene. First, why are you sick and tired of everyone praising our music culture? Athens probably has more venues per capita than any other college town in America, as well as an array of acclaimed bands to stem from the Classic City such as Widespread Panic, REM, the B-52's, the Drive-By Truckers, and Neutral Milk Hotel. Athens' music culture merits the "hype."
Lastly, Chuck, do your homework before you criticize our current local artists and avoid making up a fictional band to support your story and describe our music scene. Let me recommend just 3 recent local bands that have found widespread success: The Whigs, The Modern Skirts, and The Pendletons. Keep Lookin' Chuck, there are plenty more promising bands out there, I promise. Suggestion: do some research and actually use substance in your articles.

H.

posted 11/29/07 @ 4:14 PM EST

Actually, I agree with Chuck. There are some pretty crappy bands playing around town and I'm glad he had the balls to say it.

michelle

posted 12/04/07 @ 1:03 AM EST

What? There are crappy bands EVERYWHERE and he DIDN'T say it! He didn't name or call out anyone. He didn't say there are some crappy bands, he dismissed the entire city.

The only thing ballsy about a vague, blanket comment like that is that they published his e-mail and photograph...

Originally posted by

H.

Actually, I agree with Chuck. There are some pretty crappy bands playing around town and I'm glad he had the balls to say it.

Sloan Simpson

posted 11/29/07 @ 4:33 PM EST

Really? Saying there are crappy bands playing (duh, this is Earth, there's a crappy version of every thing) in some vague, timid, can't-pin-me-down manner hardly takes balls. But I can see why you agree with his empty journalistic style, you don't have anything to say either.

Chris Hassiotis

posted 11/29/07 @ 6:37 PM EST

There are many, many flaws with the Athens music scene. Late show times, unmotivated bands, unprofessional club owners who care little about who plays or to whom, an unearned sense of entitlement and self-worth... Chuck chose not to go into any of the substantive issues and just yapped about... what, really? He didn't even have the balls to mention any specific bands with which he had complaints. The Red & Black should have SOME standards, y'know, and should know better than to print unsubstantiated, uninteresting, uninformed attempts at "opinion." Got complaints? Great! But back 'em up, Chuck. It's an editor's fault to let something like this run without at least making the arguments stronger. The Red & Black has no responsibility to be "supportive" or positive when writing about local music, but it has a responsibility to produce strongly argued opinions backed up by substance. This is pretty much a failure on all levels.

Remember the flatduojets?

posted 11/29/07 @ 11:48 PM EST

O.K. I've lived in Athens all of my life and I have to say...the Athens music scene is a bit overrated. The high water mark of the local music scene peaked in the mid/early nineties and that success may have led to the "dilution" of the scene, but today's scene is much more diverse. It still rocks and if you can't find a group you like you aren't looking. Athens has the rockingest scene in the southeast. I'm sorry that it is not up to your standards. Maybe you should move to Seattle. By the way, which band did you say that you were in, and how do you contribute to the scene? WITH NEGATIVITY. By all means, plug your ears.

Marie

posted 11/30/07 @ 2:34 AM EST

Dear Sloan,

I don't know you, but SouthernShelter.com is one of my favorite things ever in the world, therefore making you absolutely fantastic. Thank you!


As for this...er, piece of writing, I'm guessing it was an attempt at a risky move, calling the Athens music scene out on being lame. Like Chris mentioned, it has its flaws, and just like EVERYWHERE that people play music, some of it isn't going to be good. But I doubt that you have gone to any lengths to find good music here, and since your formulaic Athens band was a "bluesy folk-ish rock group" that sounded just like a "punk rockish, new wave-ish, electro pop band," I'm not sure you have a grasp on what's happening here at all. Or how to write well (sorry, your ration of "ish"s to total words was a little high).

And I REALLY don't understand why you're dissing entertainment other than the sounds coming out of whatever instrument. What kind of shows do you WANT to be going to?

Georgia Theatre

posted 11/30/07 @ 2:42 PM EST

Don't come here buttface... I won't let you in.

Nicki

posted 11/30/07 @ 3:51 PM EST

1. Sloan, I pimped your blog in my post on this column on my blog. Man, that was wordy.

2. Pretty much what Chris and remembertheflatduojets? said (and yes, I do remember. I was really disappointed in Dexter's "couldn't get anybody to join me" Athfest appearance).

3. But...I don't Athens has a high water mark. In fact, I have issues with anyone who wants to pretend it did, and that was the REM era. The fact of the matter is that Athens is a creative town, it encourages art of all forms, and we continually see the success of that, both in terms of bands attaining various levels of success (whatever that is) and in individuals becoming musically literate and enjoying themselves. We're lucky to have it.

rememberthefaltduojets?

posted 12/03/07 @ 11:30 AM EST

Originally posted by

Nicki

1. Sloan, I pimped your blog in my post on this column on my blog. Man, that was wordy.

2. Pretty much what Chris and remembertheflatduojets? said (and yes, I do remember. I was really disappointed in Dexter's "couldn't get anybody to join me" Athfest appearance).

3. But...I don't Athens has a high water mark. In fact, I have issues with anyone who wants to pretend it did, and that was the REM era. The fact of the matter is that Athens is a creative town, it encourages art of all forms, and we continually see the success of that, both in terms of bands attaining various levels of success (whatever that is) and in individuals becoming musically literate and enjoying themselves. We're lucky to have it.


OK, I agree with this. Maybe high water mark was too strong. I do not at all agree that it was the "era of REM". REM was nationwide by then and the only contributions they were making to the Athens music scene then was by the fact that they were from the ATH. They were notorius for ignoring Athens. The music scene then was everything, EXCEPT R.E.M.

Adam

posted 11/30/07 @ 3:54 PM EST

Glad to see so many responses to this. And they're right. Sloan said it best. Chuck- Don Chambers' CD Release show is tomorrow night- check it out. Visit the Flicker (if you can't get in, listen from outside), 40 Watt, Caledonia, Melting Point, and Little Kings, too, from time to time.

Great music happening in town.

Sam

posted 11/30/07 @ 4:10 PM EST

Want variety?

JDown Valmont has hip hop covered. The Knife Trade absolutely butchers metal. Zoroaster has drone metal down. Maserati and A. Armada do instrumental rock proud. Tin Cup Prophette is one of the best solo songwriters in Georgia. Carrabelle has its finger on the post-hardcore sound. Twin Powers? The Ginger Envelope? Mouser? Cinemechanica? We Versus the Shark?

Chuck, do you even LISTEN to music?

J.M.

posted 12/01/07 @ 8:46 AM EST

chuck man, your only fault as a writer is that you're too modest. You should have told them that you've been living in athens all your life. But since you only care about the music and not the scene, i totally understand where you're coming from so keep up the good work. Athens music is fake. enough said...

Brad

posted 12/01/07 @ 11:49 AM EST

Fine, kid, I get it -- it only takes one Zappa quote to figure you out as "contrarian for the sake of being contrarian." I've known several incarnations of you through the years, trying so hard to be different, employing artifice to appear "real." You're gonna talk to me about Muddy Waters like you have a first-hand account? He died before you were born, so whose original thought did you lift and regurgitate?

But since I'm sure you're checking your comments every hour (but you'd never admit it), allow me throw down a gauntlet of sorts: you have the opportunity to run a rare triathalon of Athens music tonight. Start by catching Five Eight early at the Melting Point, hop over for Patterson Hood's set at the 40 Watt (it's a benefit show, to highlight the philanthropic aspect of the music scene that you ignored), and then turn the corner to watch Don Chambers + GOAT collapse the Caledonia.

Then come back here and tell us what you found. 'Cause man, if that don't set you straight, I just plain feel sorry for ya.

Charles

posted 12/02/07 @ 3:59 AM EST

hey chucky chuck.... your kind of a fucking idiot.

Jack M

posted 12/02/07 @ 4:40 PM EST

Originally posted by

Charles

hey chucky chuck.... your kind of a fucking idiot.


I'm not disputing the fact that this article was neither well researched nor intelligently executed, but if you're going to call someone an idiot without looking like one yourself, use correct grammar. you're means you are. your is a possessive pronoun.

Bryan

posted 12/02/07 @ 5:09 PM EST

What a great way to get all the townies/hippies pissed off. Great article!

Go protest the corporations...

Chwerp

posted 12/02/07 @ 7:09 PM EST

I think everyone has acted like jerks enough to this guy now. Right?

So he doesn't like Athens music. He thinks it's overrated. It's his opinion. You can't tell him he's wrong, and he can't tell you you're wrong, because we're talking about MUSIC here. I think you could simply say, "Well I like the music, and I think it's good." But to call him an idiot or a bad writer? Let's be civil.

michelle

posted 12/04/07 @ 12:59 AM EST

Sure, everyone is entitled to an opinion. But, if you are a JOURNALIST and you are going to be published, it is your responsibility to ensure that that opinion is substantiated and supported. Using a fictional band to support your argument in inherently flawed logic. Flatly dismissing an entire city's wildly diverse and acclaimed music community is absurd.

In order to make his argument work, at the very least, he would need to focus on the specific artists that we are so proud of here in Athens, and try to point out why they "suck." I dare Chuck to name 5 of these bands. I hope he takes the recommendations of other posters and gets his lazy ass out to some shows. Honestly, his career as a variety writer is completely done, or it should be. No artist in Athens would want to speak with him after publishing this tripe.

As a alum from UGA's school of Journalism, I am embarassed and ashamed that the Red and Black would publish this piece. It displays an utter lack of journalistic integrity. It is nothing more than a totally base attempt at getting a "reaction," and you may have done that, but you've lost me as a future reader.

Chuck, I don't know what your career ambitions may be, but I certainly hope they don't involve music journalism.


You've blown your chance in this town.
Originally posted by

Chwerp

I think everyone has acted like jerks enough to this guy now. Right?

So he doesn't like Athens music. He thinks it's overrated. It's his opinion. You can't tell him he's wrong, and he can't tell you you're wrong, because we're talking about MUSIC here. I think you could simply say, "Well I like the music, and I think it's good." But to call him an idiot or a bad writer? Let's be civil.

Marianne

posted 12/02/07 @ 7:31 PM EST

I'm with Chuck on this one. Perhaps Athens music sounds good because everyone is intoxicated? I can't put my finger on it, but something is off. Either the lyrics are meaningful and the music is horrid, or the music is mediocre while the audience cannot comprehend the lyrics beyond the grunts and, how shall I say it, "out of breath" musician. It's a part of a larger trend, a new independent wave that cannot be labeled bad simply because it's "original." Isn't all music original anyway? I hate to say it, but someone has to create every sound and lyric we hear. I listen to "smaller, independent" bands as well, yet disagree with everyone's passive position. Ironically, we are taught to be a skeptic about virtually everything, why not "non-conformist" music?

Rebecca

posted 12/03/07 @ 12:38 AM EST

Be specific. Who are you talking about?


Originally posted by

Marianne

I'm with Chuck on this one. Perhaps Athens music sounds good because everyone is intoxicated? I can't put my finger on it, but something is off. Either the lyrics are meaningful and the music is horrid, or the music is mediocre while the audience cannot comprehend the lyrics beyond the grunts and, how shall I say it, "out of breath" musician. It's a part of a larger trend, a new independent wave that cannot be labeled bad simply because it's "original." Isn't all music original anyway? I hate to say it, but someone has to create every sound and lyric we hear. I listen to "smaller, independent" bands as well, yet disagree with everyone's passive position. Ironically, we are taught to be a skeptic about virtually everything, why not "non-conformist" music?

Marie

posted 12/03/07 @ 1:05 AM EST

Originally posted by

Marianne

I'm with Chuck on this one. Perhaps Athens music sounds good because everyone is intoxicated? I can't put my finger on it, but something is off. Either the lyrics are meaningful and the music is horrid, or the music is mediocre while the audience cannot comprehend the lyrics beyond the grunts and, how shall I say it, "out of breath" musician. It's a part of a larger trend, a new independent wave that cannot be labeled bad simply because it's "original." Isn't all music original anyway? I hate to say it, but someone has to create every sound and lyric we hear. I listen to "smaller, independent" bands as well, yet disagree with everyone's passive position. Ironically, we are taught to be a skeptic about virtually everything, why not "non-conformist" music?


How specific of you.

gianna

posted 12/02/07 @ 10:29 PM EST

i wish your opinion was at very least well-executed. but rambling, without center, and poorly investigated proves otherwise.

you do not represent the athens music scene (or fanbase).
but, you do represent the red and black..
is mediocrity what we should come to expect from the red and black?

fuckchuck

posted 12/03/07 @ 10:26 AM EST

Wow....How completely oblivious can you be?

Dane

posted 12/03/07 @ 4:12 PM EST

The reaction to this article is as would be expected for what I'll admit is some pretty serious trash talk. They provide though, the backing that they claim the article so lacks. If you've lived in Athens for your whole life such as the author, or at least the first 18 years of it (as is my case), you realize that good music isn't about what some townie who's 'into the scene', some trendy local magazine, some local college radio station, an offended red and black reader, or even a national magazine tells you is good music.


There have been some great bands to some out of Athens, but they have paved way for many more crappy ones to be way overrated, as well as many people who think they know what they're talking about because the live here, read the fagpole and go see whatever it's hyping up this week.

My primary purpose here isn't to be one of the ones trying to claim what is good and bad music, but to help the author of this article expose some truths about a scene which is exactly that, a scene, and is at least as much about trendiness as quality.

I guess as long the students from Marietta keep using their fake IDs and spending their parents money downtown and the townies pack the 40 watt every time one of the aforementioned bands play there then everything is gonna be alright in Athens.

Dan

posted 12/04/07 @ 1:06 AM EST

I like that the majority of these comments are either bashing the author for not having lived in Athens long enough or for not having seen enough music when Chuck was born in Athens.

Just about everyone that has posted could probably never be convinced their local music isn't "deep" or something. Like Brad's post, "Go listen to these bands, and if you don't like them, I pity you." Awesome. And Muddy Waters died before he was born? What?

Enjoy your piss poor music only praised because it's local.

michelle gilzenrat

posted 12/04/07 @ 1:23 AM EST

I think the majority of comments are bashing the author's very poorly constructed argument. Maybe he has seen every band that's ever played and still thinks they are all terrible, but he certainly hasn't provided any meaningful critique or analysis as to why. If the article was well written, Chuck would have established his credibility in writing this piece, and would have backed up his opinion with solid examples and analysis. Maybe he could have spoken on the trends in the music scene, and how current local bands don't compare to bands of another era in Athens history. Not that I believe that, but at least that's a real angle that could be explored. That's the difference between a journalist and a cynical college student with a blog.

This article is just bad journalism, and the editors are equally at fault. Just because you were born in Athens and maybe went to a few shows doesn't make you an authority and certainly doesn't make you a journalist.
Originally posted by

Dan

I like that the majority of these comments are either bashing the author for not having lived in Athens long enough or for not having seen enough music when Chuck was born in Athens.

Just about everyone that has posted could probably never be convinced their local music isn't "deep" or something. Like Brad's post, "Go listen to these bands, and if you don't like them, I pity you." Awesome. And Muddy Waters died before he was born? What?

Enjoy your piss poor music only praised because it's local.

michelle

posted 12/04/07 @ 1:07 AM EST

Also, telling bands to cancel their Myspace music account is the worst advice ever published. I suggest you do a little research on the immeasurable impact Myspace has had on the indie music community. It's any amazing resource and tool for promotion, connecting with other artists, and even selling your music. What's the use, Chuck clearly has no interest in researching anything he writes about...

Nic

posted 12/04/07 @ 9:04 AM EST

I totally agree with this article! I spent 7 years in Athens. Good bands were the exception and not the rule. That isn't surprising, though. This is how things are everywhere. Just look at American Idol and how many bad singers try out. There have been great acts come through Athens, however. Jennifer Nettles played in Athens frequently before hitting it big with Sugarland. But Nettles is an amazing talent--one in a million.

Lucas Jensen

posted 12/10/07 @ 12:12 AM EST

Great argument, Nic! Good bands are the exception not the rule, FTW! That's a powerful statement. That's how you feel and I can't change that, but you are missing the point of most of the comments here. Chuck Griffin's "takedown" of the Athens scene involved him creating a fake band and them dissing them. He mentioned not one club, not one musician, not one band, not one, well, anything real beyond a spurious Zappa quote. How can you agree with an "argument" like Chuck's when there is no argument? It's piffle; it's trash; it's nothing. It doesn't exist. It's the debating equivalent of a your mama joke.

Let me reiterate: he made up a fake band (that he barely described) to demonstrate how crappy our music scene is. Bravo! A band that doesn't exist! You sure showed Athens, Chuck! Without facts, you can make all kinds of arguments.

I'm disappointed by the Red and Black, but it's to be expected from a paper that wrote about an event of my company's a week after it happened, and once ran this sterling piece of journalism: http://media.www.redandblack.com/media/storage/paper871/news/2003/01/31/News/Bras-Bring.Breasts.Together.Offer.Support-2580512.shtml


Originally posted by

Nic

I totally agree with this article! I spent 7 years in Athens. Good bands were the exception and not the rule. That isn't surprising, though. This is how things are everywhere. Just look at American Idol and how many bad singers try out. There have been great acts come through Athens, however. Jennifer Nettles played in Athens frequently before hitting it big with Sugarland. But Nettles is an amazing talent--one in a million.

Melanie

posted 12/04/07 @ 9:06 AM EST

I need a sedative every time I pick up the Red and Black and see such poor writing. Chuck, if you are so vehemently against all music from the city of Athens, you better be able to back it up with more than fictional support.

There are some great classes at UGA that can teach you how to construct a persuasive argument-- not just in Journalism, but in comm arts, English, and even philosophy. You need to learn the art of deduction, persuasion, and argumentation my friend. As others have duly noted, this is a flimsy piece.

matt

posted 12/10/07 @ 4:34 AM EST

a guy who is "too cool" for the "too cool" scene.

epic.

the red and black, propelling idiots to a new level of publicity since 1980.

PS - live music is all about being ENTERNAINING. Why go to a show if its not fun? You can sit at home (likely by your angsty, angsty self) and listen to the CD which you condemn people for making.

Also, myspace is obnoxious, but it lets people put tracks up to listen to and helps others keep up with concerts etc. - there arent a lot of other services that let up-and-comers take advantage of the internet like that.

dreidle

posted 12/11/07 @ 6:39 AM EST

Thank you for this article. I wish someone had said something sooner. People who think Athens music is good need to spend more time in the real world and less time in the bathroom slitting their wrists. ALL THE BANDS SOUND THE SAME. EXACTLY THE SAME. This is coming from someone with a musical background and if there were any variation to speak of, I would notice it. Athens bands have the dumbest names too. It either takes about thirty seconds to say the whole thing or it's some dumb word or phrase someone pulled out of their ass at the last minute. I'm so sick of the same droning and electric guitars and mediocre male voices. Let's have some real talent! People only like Athens bands because they are plastered when they listen to them. No more frickin' rock/alternative/emo crap...it sucks. How about some pop? Oh wait...that's too modern and fun for these moaning pricks. Reggaeton? Nope...too easy to dance to. R&B? Nah...too soulful and passionate. Yeah, let's stick to screaming and guitar smashing. Woohoo.
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