The Red and Black

Originally posted by

Frank J

Frank J here.

What will it take for the University to finally take a hard stance on the numerous criminal activities conducted by the participants in the Greek system? How many pledges have to die? How many sexual assaults have to take place? How many underage drinking incidents have to occur? To say that the Greek system has run amok at UGA is an understatement of epic proportions. I have supported and applauded President Adams' tough stance on the Greek system but his discipline has waned in the recent years. Instead his tenure is now marked by numerous embarrassing incidents involving alcohol and Greeks.

Just like certain minorities are more inclined to engage in criminal activity or have lower SAT scores, Greek members are more prone to alcohol-related incidents and sexual assaults.

I challenge Pres. Adams to do the right thing and investigate this incident fully and maintain an open line of communication with the public. If the investigation discovers even a shred of wrong doing on the part of Phi Gamma Delta then the University should be banned from the campus for good.

Originally posted by

Frank J

Frank J here.

What will it take for the University to finally take a hard stance on the numerous criminal activities conducted by the participants in the Greek system? How many pledges have to die? How many sexual assaults have to take place? How many underage drinking incidents have to occur? To say that the Greek system has run amok at UGA is an understatement of epic proportions. I have supported and applauded President Adams' tough stance on the Greek system but his discipline has waned in the recent years. Instead his tenure is now marked by numerous embarrassing incidents involving alcohol and Greeks.

Just like certain minorities are more inclined to engage in criminal activity or have lower SAT scores, Greek members are more prone to alcohol-related incidents and sexual assaults.

I challenge Pres. Adams to do the right thing and investigate this incident fully and maintain an open line of communication with the public. If the investigation discovers even a shred of wrong doing on the part of Phi Gamma Delta then the University should be banned from the campus for good.

Originally posted by

Frank J

Frank J here.

What will it take for the University to finally take a hard stance on the numerous criminal activities conducted by the participants in the Greek system? How many pledges have to die? How many sexual assaults have to take place? How many underage drinking incidents have to occur? To say that the Greek system has run amok at UGA is an understatement of epic proportions. I have supported and applauded President Adams' tough stance on the Greek system but his discipline has waned in the recent years. Instead his tenure is now marked by numerous embarrassing incidents involving alcohol and Greeks.

Just like certain minorities are more inclined to engage in criminal activity or have lower SAT scores, Greek members are more prone to alcohol-related incidents and sexual assaults.

I challenge Pres. Adams to do the right thing and investigate this incident fully and maintain an open line of communication with the public. If the investigation discovers even a shred of wrong doing on the part of Phi Gamma Delta then the University should be banned from the campus for good.

Originally posted by

Not a frat guy

OK, how about a little self accountability. You drink to the point that you are possibly raped and don't remember... is it possible that nothing happened or that there was implied consent?

This should be a warning to anyone that goes to a party to make sure you go with friends that can look out after each other. What happened to her friends... what happened to self responsibility. If she was raped, absolutely prosecute; if she was drinking and underage, should she be prosecuted..

Originally posted by

Not a frat guy

OK, how about a little self accountability. You drink to the point that you are possibly raped and don't remember... is it possible that nothing happened or that there was implied consent?

This should be a warning to anyone that goes to a party to make sure you go with friends that can look out after each other. What happened to her friends... what happened to self responsibility. If she was raped, absolutely prosecute; if she was drinking and underage, should she be prosecuted..

Originally posted by

p

The frat hired 2 off duty Athens Clarke Police officers which is what they are required to do. One drunk underage girl saying she did see anyone checking ID's isnt enough to sanction a frat.

Originally posted by

N

P,

You're assuming the anonymous girl that was quoted is A) underage and B) was drinking. It might be neither was the case. If one student saw alcohol violations occur, chances are other did, too. That very well may be enough to put the fraternity on some sort of probation.

Also, you should investigate federal law and find out what exactly constitutes rape. Sexual intercourse with a woman who is unable to consent is rape. A woman whose will is temporarily lost due to intoxication or unconsciousness arising from sleep or the use of alcohol or drugs cannot legally consent to sex.

Please don't get me wrong. I'm not saying anything of the sort happened at this fraternity. I don't pretend to know. But to assume "she had consensual sex and just didn't remember it the next day" is, well, wrong in theory and would still constitute rape.

Originally posted by

Girl Alum, but not Greek

This is an impossible situation, for both the girl and the fraternity. Who knows what happened? She doesn't.

I hear her friend says she was knee-walking drunk and denied alchohol by the Fijis.

Whether you hate fraternities or not, this fraternity has a GREAT reputation. If ONE of their members did something wrong, fry him, hang him, castrate him.

But to drag the reputation of a group of really good guys, real class gentleman (not your average group of fraternity men) through the mud reeks of Duke Lacrosse.

Did Fiji violate UGA alcohol policies? Yeah, probably. But is that really news? Underage drinking in Athens is hardly news. Whether at a fraternity house, a dorm or downtown.

But knowing some of these guys, I find it really difficult to believe that a girl was raped by one of these guys.

In fact, the Fijis I know would be horrified that such an action took place, and would toss the guy out on his head. I think they really value and care about their reputation as gentlemen.

If one bad apple went over the line, and if so, HE should be singled out, not the group.

Originally posted by

Frank J

Frank J here.

I think many of you are missing the point. While many of you are focusing on issues such as if the girl was underage or not or if the sex was consensual or not, or if the fraternity hired UGA pigs, I mean police, to work at the function or not you all are missing the main point of allowing alcohol at fraternity sanctioned events. It just shouldn't be allowed. Here's a good example for you Greek monkeys out there than can't understand what I'm posting.

Alcohol and Greeks don't mix. It's like putting an unscratched lottery ticket down in front of a black and telling him he can't scratch it. Eventually, he's gonna have to scratch that itch, in this case, the lotto ticket. Eventually, if you give a Greek alcohol, he's going to get in a fight, raise a Confederate flag, toss out a racial slut at a passing minority, or rape someone.

It's a fact of life. It's as close to a sure thing as gravity. Sure, there are a few exceptions (like space) but not many.

Originally posted by

Jed Clampett

Greeks are stupid. The whole concept of this is just pretty gay and sad. Name some good things that greeks do and actual positives of the system other than social activities, because you have to pay for your douchebag friends. Grow up. High School is over. There shouldn't be an "in" crowd at college, especially if you have to pay for it. Who gives a shit?

Originally posted by

Scott

Frank J,

First off, you've got to be one of the most ignorant people on here. Secondly, why would you throw a racial slut at someone? Even if she was only 100 lbs, you still might hurt your back. Proofreading can help make it look like you're only a racist, instead of an stupid racist.

Originally posted by

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Okay, SW, so which is worse: bad proofreading or rampant racism? Hmmm. Dilemma. Glad you at least have your priorities in order.