The Red and Black

Originally posted by

Yellow Journalism

Why has the R&B not reported what clubs these gentlemen belong to? Surely they must at least be involved in one or two organizations on campus. I'm just wondering, since I'm quite certain if these gentlemen were Greek-affiliated the article headline would have been "Police Charge (Insert Greek letters) With Drug Possession."

I'm just trying to increase my ability to paint every organization on campus with a wide brush based upon the actions of a few members. Usually you guys help me with this, why the failure today?

I am SO sick of you whiny greek omo's. If the R&B is so effin awful, quit reading the MF.

Originally posted by

Yellow Journalism

Why has the R&B not reported what clubs these gentlemen belong to? Surely they must at least be involved in one or two organizations on campus. I'm just wondering, since I'm quite certain if these gentlemen were Greek-affiliated the article headline would have been "Police Charge (Insert Greek letters) With Drug Possession."

I'm just trying to increase my ability to paint every organization on campus with a wide brush based upon the actions of a few members. Usually you guys help me with this, why the failure today?

That is an excellent point well stated. Thank you from a non-Greek Gator.

Okay, I'm going to make this quick.

1. These drugs are not "mainly used to help cancer patients." They're very commonly prescribed for a variety of pain treatments, particularly oxycodone. You've probably been prescribed at least one of these drugs yourself, but you're likely too uninformed to even know it. I'd be hugely surprised if cancer patients even accounted for 10% of the prescriptions. Show me evidence do that if you are astute enough to realize that "davron" is not a drug-- it's DARVON.

2. This ties in with my first point, but realize that these drugs are used for a huge number of legitimate reasons, not just analgesia for cancer patients. You might be able to tell if someone is undergoing chemotherapy by looking at a facebook photo, but you certainly can't tell if they are living with chronic pain from another source.

3. I know pharmacology, not journalism. But I do think this is a little bit of sensationalism, and kind of a waste of space during a week when bigger things are happening around Athens and UGA. For instance, how about more space for SGA election coverage?

4. Now I'm starting to get a little irritated. You say: "DUIs are no lauging matter, it's nothing compared to a FELONY possession of a drug that i doubt most people not dying of cancer have in their possession."

Well, again, you're just wrong. Know anyone with chronic back pain? Someone who's just had wisdom teeth pulled? Anyone who's had any sort of surgery lately? I could go on for hours. My point is, tons of people have been prescribed these drugs for a plethora of ailments. They're common analgesics. Cops like to exaggerate things because they're usually the unfortunately recipients of a poor drug education program that is hugely deficient of facts and sound concerns about the drug problem, and instead packed with ridiculous propaganda with which anyone versed in pharmacology could have a total field day attempting to rectify.

Additionally, I do not see mention that this student is being charged with intent to distribute. If they even found a box of ziploc bags next to a small, personal supply of drugs, they'd probably slap that charge on him too. Hence, I think a DUI, which endangers completely innocent bystanders, is *much* more reprehensible than something as simple as drug possession. The fact that the punishment is more serious for this student than any DUI offender is an outrage, and is quite indicative of the completely bass-ackwards way we're wrongly attempting to solve this nation's drug problem.

Sorry I didn't have more time to edit that for clarity, but I don't think the few typos will obscure my point, as long as you're not as foolish as your last post makes you sound. For the record, I'm not the one who made the post to which you were replying. However, I now await YOUR brilliant reply, this time to me.

Originally posted by

Rediculous

I do not understand why in hell this is even in the red and black. It is tabloid journalism at it's worst. There is no information or even looks like there wasn't an attempt to find out the circumstances that led to undercover police showing up at a regular college house. The only crap put out there was gossip at best. "hey these guys got in trouble, ooohhh, and look what they got in trouble for." Yeah I am sure that the saintly people at the red and black have never used any illicit substances before. I about over a year ago an editor at the red and black was charged with a dui but I don't seem to remember it being on the front page or even in the red and black. As a student based publication you should have the moral and ethical obligation to do what is best for the student's not airing out dirty laundry.

You write so poorly. How would anyone ever take you seriously?

You are an idiot. It is still illegal. If you want to fight that then you need to quit smoking weed and go to law school.

Originally posted by

bob

the university, the athens police, and this newspaper need to wake the hell up. these guys charged with marijuana had small amounts for personal use. they were not selling drugs, merely using a benign substance that a multitude of people on campus are just as guilty of using. as for the felony possession of narcotics, give me a a break. these were less than 4 pills that can all be found in your parent's medicine cabinet. these are not street drugs, but medicines approved by our government. the only difference between felony possession and your mom popping these same pills throughout the day is a piece of paper. is it such a high priority for the athens police to bust non violent college offenders that they are willing to invade these peoples' homes? how about the police focus on some real crime like the plethora of burglaries over christmas break? i think it would be as easy for the pigs to spot a criminal walking down the street with a nice tv they just stole as it seems to be for them to spot underage drinkers walking around downtown. Apparently athens' finest believe it is more important to arrest the non violent college offenders that they know can pay the court fees and fines than the real criminals in our town who can't pay. congratulations cops, you busted a big case! some college kids actually do like to use marijuana in their own homes, and your invasion and search only underscores the absurdity of your mission and job. As for this newspaper, i can see by a stretch of the imagination why adult police officers would embarass themselves by conducting a full search to find a laughable amount of narcotics, but why in the hell would you as college students contribute to this debacle. Front page? No details except listing the drugs and their potentially harmful side effects? That truly is gossip and i find your magazine about as interesting and reliable now as the national enquirer. As if these young men did not have enough to deal with already, you clowns decide to print their names, offenses, and possible penalties while ignoring the circumstances of their arrest. you know what would have been newsworthy? the unlawful search of these peoples home. instead, you amateurs take the easy route and just focus on smearing their names in the dirt. well done athens police and red and black, as you both march on while doing pitifully at your respective callings.

Originally posted by

bob

the university, the athens police, and this newspaper need to wake the hell up. these guys charged with marijuana had small amounts for personal use. they were not selling drugs, merely using a benign substance that a multitude of people on campus are just as guilty of using. as for the felony possession of narcotics, give me a a break. these were less than 4 pills that can all be found in your parent's medicine cabinet. these are not street drugs, but medicines approved by our government. the only difference between felony possession and your mom popping these same pills throughout the day is a piece of paper. is it such a high priority for the athens police to bust non violent college offenders that they are willing to invade these peoples' homes? how about the police focus on some real crime like the plethora of burglaries over christmas break? i think it would be as easy for the pigs to spot a criminal walking down the street with a nice tv they just stole as it seems to be for them to spot underage drinkers walking around downtown. Apparently athens' finest believe it is more important to arrest the non violent college offenders that they know can pay the court fees and fines than the real criminals in our town who can't pay. congratulations cops, you busted a big case! some college kids actually do like to use marijuana in their own homes, and your invasion and search only underscores the absurdity of your mission and job. As for this newspaper, i can see by a stretch of the imagination why adult police officers would embarass themselves by conducting a full search to find a laughable amount of narcotics, but why in the hell would you as college students contribute to this debacle. Front page? No details except listing the drugs and their potentially harmful side effects? That truly is gossip and i find your magazine about as interesting and reliable now as the national enquirer. As if these young men did not have enough to deal with already, you clowns decide to print their names, offenses, and possible penalties while ignoring the circumstances of their arrest. you know what would have been newsworthy? the unlawful search of these peoples home. instead, you amateurs take the easy route and just focus on smearing their names in the dirt. well done athens police and red and black, as you both march on while doing pitifully at your respective callings.

Bob you are everything that is wrong with Athens. These are FELONY drug crimes no matter who the suspect was. Obviously this was the narcotics detectives working this case as part of a larger drug operation in Athens NOT the patrol officer who prevent burglaries. Athens has a property crime rate TWICE the state average BECAUSE of their continued lax drug enforcement. You break the law by using or buying FELONY drugs you just might get caught. I hope you get hit by a bus you dipshit.

[QUOTE]Athens has a property crime rate TWICE the state average BECAUSE of their continued lax drug enforcement.[/QUOTE]

I'd like to give a detailed reply to your statement, but first, could you please provide evidence to substantiate your claim about the property crime rate? (Offhand comments made by members of the ACCPD Vice Unit do not count.) Thanks.

Since "get a life bob" seems so slow to reply, I'll go ahead and get another point off my chest.

One thing the aforementioned individual needs to realize is that punishments do not always fit the "crime." "Justice" is not always just. Some laws are just plain wrong. Since this is February, one example that comes to mind is former law regarding fugitive slaves.

History will be the judge, and I think anyone closely following drug policy issues can plainly see that there is no way in hell we'll be able to continue increasing spending (currently over $50 billion per year) attempting to enact an impossible solution (called prohibition) to a problem that continues to worsen. Just look at the statistics. All we're doing is throwing away money and creating a huge crime problem-- which leads into my second point.

You make the uncorroborated claim that the property crime rate in Athens is two times higher than the state average because of lax drug policy enforcement. You've still provided no evidence whatsoever that might actually isolate a link between drugs and property crime (as opposed to something like poverty or education), but let's forget about that for a minute. Remember learning about alcohol prohibition? Remember what it did to crime in this country? Was it lax enforcement that caused the problem, or short-sighted policy? Do you realize that we're making the same foolish mistake right now, only this time we're trying to halt the flow of other (often less harmful) psychoactive drugs? Wake up!!!

Originally posted by

rom

The drugs are felony schedule II for a reason they are very dangerous when used without doctors orders. So often students use these drugs with alcohol something that is even more dangerous. I love all the posts from the idiots who try to downplay the seriousness of illegal use and possession of schedule II felony drugs. If they were smart they wouldnt have even been caught, instead they are idiots who obviously attracted police attention. Have fun in jail!

Yes, essentially all drugs are much more dangerous when used in combination with alcohol. However, this report offers no evidence that the drugs *were* being used in combination with alcohol, so your point is completely irrelevant to this conversation.

I agree that these drugs are schedule II for a reason- unfortunately, you seem to have very little understanding of how the scheduling system currently works. There are many flaws with it. You absolutely cannot make a claim that a drug is "dangerous" based on its currently assigned schedule. I can give you many, many examples of this. An easy one to get you started: Cannabis is schedule I. And what schedule is nicotine (trick question)? Are you convinced that you need to reconsider your false assumption, or would you like me to give you the full-length tirade?

Finally, I'd just like to point out that the circumstances leading to this, or any, drug bust, need not be initiated by stupidity on part of the offending party.

Now YOU have fun, knowing our precious tax dollars will be wasted prosecuting and possibly jailing would-be educated young men whose sole crime appears to be illegal possession-- of personal quantities-- of drugs that are less dangerous than tobacco (sold to 18yr olds at any convenience store in town)!

Originally posted by

Coastal2

Here is a facebook group dedicated to Mr. Orne, all of these guys are LXA frat members, wonder how that slipped past R&B?
http://uga.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2207564353
DAVID CHARLES ORNE
telephonenumber: 912-441-3101
postaladdress: 990 SOUTH MILLEDGE AVE
postaladdress: ATHENS
postaladdress: GA
postalcode: 30605-0000
homepostaladdress: 115 TERRAPIN TRAIL
homepostaladdress: SAVANNAH, GA. 31406-3013
mail: DORNE@UGA.EDU

JAY PAUL THOMAS
telephonenumber: 229-343-8493
postaladdress: 243 BLOOMFIELD ST.
postaladdress: ATHENS
postaladdress: GA
postalcode: 30605-0000
homepostaladdress: 500 GREENWOOD DRIVE
homepostaladdress: ALBANY, GA. 31707-3102
mail: JAYT600@UGA.EDU

The internet is amazing.

Wow, you are a complete loser and a huge creep.

Originally posted by

Coastal2

The internet is amazing.

Yeah, but what's really amazing about it is that folks like yourself are compelled to anonymously do things like what you just did. What was the point of that? To demonstrate that you're clever enough to look up the accused individuals in a publicly available directory? Impressive!

Do me a favor: focus really hard and try, just try, to realize why your post is completely worthless to this discussion. Okay? Get it yet? Good, now try not to do it again.

Originally posted by

m

Coastal2
Are you the Dawg Catcher?

No I'm not. I just wanted to see some people whine about my post.