The Red and Black

Originally posted by

Lauren

Way to go Red & Black - posting allegations as fact. The boys at Phi Gamma Delta have a reputation of being great guys. This girl apparently just blacked out at the party and woke up ashamed of her behavior:

"The woman told the police she had no memory of what happened to her at the party."

It's sad that this had to happen to both parties. I'm sure this case will be resolved soon.

Originally posted by

Stephanie

This is so dumb. A girl claiming rape when A) she was so drunk she doesn't even know what happened. B) she had bruises on her HIPS and KNEES? really? she probably fell down. and C)her friends lost track of her at about 10 p.m.? good friends she has. wow. so the idiot is claiming rape. Maybe next time she could try to be more mature and not drink to the point where she passes out/doesn't know what happened or find some better friends that know where there friend is at and don't "lose track of her" by 10 p.m. It is a crazy world out there and girls definitely need to be on guard where ever they go. BUT, I guarantee you that this fraternity is the LAST place to see anything like that occur

Originally posted by

Stephanie

Sex with a woman who is too intoxicated to consent is in fact rape in the State of Georgia.

Originally posted by

Stephanie

Sex with a woman who is too intoxicated to consent is in fact rape in the State of Georgia.

Originally posted by

Tinsdale

I truly hope the red and black plays this one fair. Being a member of the Greek System here at UGA I am never surprised when the red and black makes alleged behavior front page material. "Was raped" should read "was allegedly raped". Please don't make any judgments until all the facts come out. We all remember what happened at Duke, and media like the red and black are the Pontius Pilate behind the crucification of innocent individuals and organizations alike.

Originally posted by

Bobby

They are just reporting the news. R&B is not stating it as a fact, they said "possibly", and "according to published reports." READ the article next time. Maybe that fraternity should stop taking advantage of really drunk girls.

Originally posted by

Philip

Way to go Lauren- defending possible rapists rather than your fellow woman. You probably believe the guys at Chi Phi were framed last year.

I would think that as a woman, you would be upset at a possible rape rather than trying to defend a group of guys. I have friends in FIJI and I'll admit that they are excellent guys, but that doesn't mean the Greek system is full of angels. Far from it. Open your eyes and stand up for women instead of taking two steps backwards.

P.S. If you want, I'll give you one of my sister's back issues of Seventeen magazine. This case has rape written all over it.

Originally posted by

Philip

Way to go Lauren- defending possible rapists rather than your fellow woman. You probably believe the guys at Chi Phi were framed last year.

I would think that as a woman, you would be upset at a possible rape rather than trying to defend a group of guys. I have friends in FIJI and I'll admit that they are excellent guys, but that doesn't mean the Greek system is full of angels. Far from it. Open your eyes and stand up for women instead of taking two steps backwards.

P.S. If you want, I'll give you one of my sister's back issues of Seventeen magazine. This case has rape written all over it.

Originally posted by

Dr. Kinsey

Doctors performed a rape kit examination and police confiscated her clothes as part of their investigation. If she WAS raped, the kit could prove it. However, with no eye-witnesses, i imagine it will be hard to determine who allegedly raped her. Somebody with some more legal knowledge than me can correct me, but I seriously doubt the DA can ask for every member of that frat provide a dna sample, when or if any semen was found. Sounds to me like she just fell down. Why would she have bruises on her knees and hips? Anyone that's ever had sex can tell you that the only semi-conventional way to get bruises on your knees is what we experts like to call "doggy-style". I can't imagine that would work too well if the girl was passed out...

Originally posted by

Dr. Kinsey

Anyone that's ever had sex can tell you that the only semi-conventional way to get bruises on your knees is what we experts like to call "doggy-style". I can't imagine that would work too well if the girl was passed out...

Originally posted by

Joe Blow

In the likely scenario that this girl was blackout drunk and her friends and others could testify that the victim was seen flirting with and kissing the soon-to-be accused, who is really to blame?

Since when did a lack of personal responsibility become acceptable?

It is important to note that these allegations bring about many emotions, and as we all know, emotion clouds judgement. It is important that everyone retain a strong belief in the presumption of innocence, particularly on allegations of a sexual nature.

Originally posted by

annoymous

wow, did DUKE LACROSSE HOAX come to anyone elses mind as soon as they read this?

Originally posted by

Courtney

I think all of the women who automatically assume the girl is not telling the truth are just looking for ways to justify to themselves why something like this wouldnt ever happen to them. Rape is a horrible thing to happen to anyone but they just have to find reasons why it may have happened to this girl because of her own mistakes as a way to make themselves feel safe. No one should ever blame the victim of sexual assault; this type of thing is exactly why rape victims never want to come out and report what happened to them. It is sad.

Originally posted by

Courtney

I think all of the women who automatically assume the girl is not telling the truth are just looking for ways to justify to themselves why something like this wouldnt ever happen to them. Rape is a horrible thing to happen to anyone but they just have to find reasons why it may have happened to this girl because of her own mistakes as a way to make themselves feel safe. No one should ever blame the victim of sexual assault; this type of thing is exactly why rape victims never want to come out and report what happened to them. It is sad.

Originally posted by

Sad...

It is amazing to me how a girl can practice no personal responsibility, black-out, and POSSIBLY hook up with a guy (she doesnt remember if she did or not.) Then wake up the next morning ashamed of her behavior and tarnish the reputation of an entire organization with a spotless record for good...

Originally posted by

Sad...

It is amazing to me how a girl can practice no personal responsibility, black-out, and POSSIBLY hook up with a guy (she doesnt remember if she did or not.) Then wake up the next morning ashamed of her behavior and tarnish the reputation of an entire organization with a spotless record for good...

Originally posted by

Mr. Popo

Number 1 tip for not getting "raped": Don't get so drunk that you lose your memory, especially when surrounded by people you do not know or trust.

Secondly, has anyone here ever gotten so drunk that they don't remember anything the next day, but they are told by friends that they were acting funny, still conscious and not passed out? They just don't remember? This happens. How many "rape" cases really involve a drunk person, who, in their state of intoxication, consents to sex or other behavior, and the next day has sparse memory of the incident so alleges rape? I'm sure this happens frequently on college campuses.

Thirdly, while my initial suspicions cause me to believe that this incident isn't really a huge matter (due to reasons above), I still wouldn't be surprised by someone getting raped and/or taken advantage of at a frat party. Sure, maybe most frat guys are nice people, but frats have a universally bad reputation for this type of thing, possibly because many representatives of greek life are, well... not pleasant often.

Originally posted by

Mr. Popo

Number 1 tip for not getting "raped": Don't get so drunk that you lose your memory, especially when surrounded by people you do not know or trust.

Secondly, has anyone here ever gotten so drunk that they don't remember anything the next day, but they are told by friends that they were acting funny, still conscious and not passed out? They just don't remember? This happens. How many "rape" cases really involve a drunk person, who, in their state of intoxication, consents to sex or other behavior, and the next day has sparse memory of the incident so alleges rape? I'm sure this happens frequently on college campuses.

Thirdly, while my initial suspicions cause me to believe that this incident isn't really a huge matter (due to reasons above), I still wouldn't be surprised by someone getting raped and/or taken advantage of at a frat party. Sure, maybe most frat guys are nice people, but frats have a universally bad reputation for this type of thing, possibly because many representatives of greek life are, well... not pleasant often.

Originally posted by

Mr. Popo

Number 1 tip for not getting "raped": Don't get so drunk that you lose your memory, especially when surrounded by people you do not know or trust.

Secondly, has anyone here ever gotten so drunk that they don't remember anything the next day, but they are told by friends that they were acting funny, still conscious and not passed out? They just don't remember? This happens. How many "rape" cases really involve a drunk person, who, in their state of intoxication, consents to sex or other behavior, and the next day has sparse memory of the incident so alleges rape? I'm sure this happens frequently on college campuses.

Thirdly, while my initial suspicions cause me to believe that this incident isn't really a huge matter (due to reasons above), I still wouldn't be surprised by someone getting raped and/or taken advantage of at a frat party. Sure, maybe most frat guys are nice people, but frats have a universally bad reputation for this type of thing, possibly because many representatives of greek life are, well... not pleasant often.

Originally posted by

Mr. Popo

Number 1 tip for not getting "raped": Don't get so drunk that you lose your memory, especially when surrounded by people you do not know or trust.

Secondly, has anyone here ever gotten so drunk that they don't remember anything the next day, but they are told by friends that they were acting funny, still conscious and not passed out? They just don't remember? This happens. How many "rape" cases really involve a drunk person, who, in their state of intoxication, consents to sex or other behavior, and the next day has sparse memory of the incident so alleges rape? I'm sure this happens frequently on college campuses.

Thirdly, while my initial suspicions cause me to believe that this incident isn't really a huge matter (due to reasons above), I still wouldn't be surprised by someone getting raped and/or taken advantage of at a frat party. Sure, maybe most frat guys are nice people, but frats have a universally bad reputation for this type of thing, possibly because many representatives of greek life are, well... not pleasant often.

Originally posted by

Mr. Popo

Number 1 tip for not getting "raped": Don't get so drunk that you lose your memory, especially when surrounded by people you do not know or trust.

Secondly, has anyone here ever gotten so drunk that they don't remember anything the next day, but they are told by friends that they were acting funny, still conscious and not passed out? They just don't remember? This happens. How many "rape" cases really involve a drunk person, who, in their state of intoxication, consents to sex or other behavior, and the next day has sparse memory of the incident so alleges rape? I'm sure this happens frequently on college campuses.

Thirdly, while my initial suspicions cause me to believe that this incident isn't really a huge matter (due to reasons above), I still wouldn't be surprised by someone getting raped and/or taken advantage of at a frat party. Sure, maybe most frat guys are nice people, but frats have a universally bad reputation for this type of thing, possibly because many representatives of greek life are, well... not pleasant often.

Originally posted by

Mr. Popo

Number 1 tip for not getting "raped": Don't get so drunk that you lose your memory, especially when surrounded by people you do not know or trust.

Secondly, has anyone here ever gotten so drunk that they don't remember anything the next day, but they are told by friends that they were acting funny, still conscious and not passed out? They just don't remember? This happens. How many "rape" cases really involve a drunk person, who, in their state of intoxication, consents to sex or other behavior, and the next day has sparse memory of the incident so alleges rape? I'm sure this happens frequently on college campuses.

Thirdly, while my initial suspicions cause me to believe that this incident isn't really a huge matter (due to reasons above), I still wouldn't be surprised by someone getting raped and/or taken advantage of at a frat party. Sure, maybe most frat guys are nice people, but frats have a universally bad reputation for this type of thing, possibly because many representatives of greek life are, well... not pleasant often.

Originally posted by

Sadder...

After decades and decades of frat-party rape accusations, dumbasses continue to provide liquor enough to get bunches of girls gutter-crawling drunk and then they try to hook up with them. I'm sorry, but what did they think was going to happen?

Originally posted by

MRJ

Kacie, many of us don't think rape is anything close to ok, and we don't generally assume that women are lying.

However, when a campus paper known to be hostile to the greek community plasters ACCUSATIONS on the front page, people rightfully begin to get concerned. Look, I know accusations can serve as news too, but rape, harassment, racism, etc...these things are extremely stigmatizing (at the risk of creating a riot, see: Clarence Thomas).

Just as you argue many people automatically doubt the alleged victim, many on your side of these debates automatically assume that fraternity guys are genetically predisposed to committing sexual assault. The fiercest advocates I know of respect toward women just so happen to be conservative fraternity men.

I hope we get to the bottom of this, and if we find out the report is accurate, then I'm right there with you. But until then, I think we would all be well-served by a little more caution in throwing around such stigmatizing allegations.

Originally posted by

MRJ

So, are you saying because because a crime or subject is stigmatizing, we should ignore it to save preople's reputation's who might be guilty? And the way to do that is to trash the other side, to talk about what a slut a girl is or how drunk she was?
I am sorry, but the Red and Black has every right to post a story about ALLEGATIONS involving a rape at a frat house or anywhere else in athens/having to do with students/ect. They are doing their job.

Originally posted by

MRJ

Kacie, many of us don't think rape is anything close to ok, and we don't generally assume that women are lying.

However, when a campus paper known to be hostile to the greek community plasters ACCUSATIONS on the front page, people rightfully begin to get concerned. Look, I know accusations can serve as news too, but rape, harassment, racism, etc...these things are extremely stigmatizing (at the risk of creating a riot, see: Clarence Thomas).

Just as you argue many people automatically doubt the alleged victim, many on your side of these debates automatically assume that fraternity guys are genetically predisposed to committing sexual assault. The fiercest advocates I know of respect toward women just so happen to be conservative fraternity men.

I hope we get to the bottom of this, and if we find out the report is accurate, then I'm right there with you. But until then, I think we would all be well-served by a little more caution in throwing around such stigmatizing allegations.

Originally posted by

MRJ

Kacie, many of us don't think rape is anything close to ok, and we don't generally assume that women are lying.

However, when a campus paper known to be hostile to the greek community plasters ACCUSATIONS on the front page, people rightfully begin to get concerned. Look, I know accusations can serve as news too, but rape, harassment, racism, etc...these things are extremely stigmatizing (at the risk of creating a riot, see: Clarence Thomas).

Just as you argue many people automatically doubt the alleged victim, many on your side of these debates automatically assume that fraternity guys are genetically predisposed to committing sexual assault. The fiercest advocates I know of respect toward women just so happen to be conservative fraternity men.

I hope we get to the bottom of this, and if we find out the report is accurate, then I'm right there with you. But until then, I think we would all be well-served by a little more caution in throwing around such stigmatizing allegations.

Originally posted by

MRJ

oh no female empowerment?!?!?
At the expense of a fraternity!? NOOO!!!!

Seriously? This is pathetic.

Originally posted by

Samuel Wilson

This is the dumbest shit I have heard. She is probly underage and doesnt want to get in trouble sense the reason she went to the hospital is to get her stomach pumped accourding to her friends, BUT THE RED AND BLACK didnt say anything about that. They are agianst the greek community so before anyone judges anyone please wait till the truth comes out. The guys of phi gamma delta are not of the same class as chi phi and any other frat on campus they are gentelmen wanting to have a good time with no intentions of getting girls drunk to take advantage of. This girl is underage and scared of what could come of being drunk underage KNOWN to everyone as a MIP.

Originally posted by

Samuel Wilson

This is the dumbest shit I have heard. She is probly underage and doesnt want to get in trouble sense the reason she went to the hospital is to get her stomach pumped accourding to her friends, BUT THE RED AND BLACK didnt say anything about that. They are agianst the greek community so before anyone judges anyone please wait till the truth comes out. The guys of phi gamma delta are not of the same class as chi phi and any other frat on campus they are gentelmen wanting to have a good time with no intentions of getting girls drunk to take advantage of. This girl is underage and scared of what could come of being drunk underage KNOWN to everyone as a MIP.