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No plans to penalize fraternity despite authorities finding of hazing

Abstract:
The University has no plans at this time to penalize a fraternity which Oconee County authorities said was engaging in a hazing ritual, according to published reports....

DT

posted 11/21/08 @ 9:43 AM EST

..."A spokesman for the fraternity told the Banner-Herald the five brothers needed to be outside to 'pay respect' to fraternity brothers around the country who have died at a young age."... WTF??? I mourn the loss of any young person and I'm all for paying respect. However, this comment in the context of a hazing or initiation or whatever it was does neither. Exposing a "brother" to hypothermia is no way to show respect for the living or the dead.
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Frank J

posted 11/21/08 @ 9:44 AM EST

Frank J here.

Yet again the Greek UGA community is found guilty of violating rules and laws and President Adams, influenced my money and power from Greek alumni, will do nothing about it.

No doubt that countless Greek trolls will visit this site and attempt to quiet the voices of reason and law-abiding members of the UGA community like me. They will shout down the people that want justice and cry out for a UGA that treats Greeks, black Greeks, and non-Greeks the same. They will call us jealous, say that we could not be a member of their community because we are not good enough, and ask why we unjustly persecute them. Rather than look introspectively at the unjust community in which they operate, they choose to isolate themselves and adopt an "us versus them" mentality.

The Greeks in the UGA community have been running amok for years. However, recent occurrences signify the level of decadence and law-breaking have increased to all-time highs.

President Adams is a coward for not regulating Greek organizations more.

The only justice is for this fraternity, a group of law-breaking rogues, to be removed from campus for a period of 5 years.

Send the right message Mr. President. Quit kowtowing to the rich Greek alumni. Stop letting them buy you. Show them that you and justice are not for sale.
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David Schwetty

posted 11/21/08 @ 9:56 AM EST

The only crime these men are guilty of is being members of a terrible fraternity....SBR, seriously?
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Rob

posted 11/21/08 @ 10:03 AM EST

Yes, Frank J. Go ahead, blame this on the Greek community that has been "running amok" for years and advocate that this "group of law-breaking rogues" should be kicked off campus for five years. You want a UGA that "treats Greeks, black Greeks, and non-Greeks the same." You do realize that by kicking Sigma Beta Rho off of campus for five years, you are only advocating making the university Greek system even more lilly-white than it already is? In case you didn't do your homework (which you obviously didn't), there are other Greek organizations besides Greeks (who I assume you classify as white) and black Greeks. There are, in the case of Sigma Beta Rho, south-asian Greeks. The university is trying to promote diversity...kicking SBP off campus would simply hinder that cause.
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CoastalDawg

posted 11/21/08 @ 11:56 AM EST

"Yet again the Greek UGA community is found guilty of violating rules and laws and President Adams, influenced my money and power from Greek alumni, will do nothing about it." Upon what do you base THESE words? Found guilty by whom? The attending officer didn't make any charges so there was no obvious violation of law, although I challenge his wording that an initiation always equals hazing. Should the conditions surrounding this incident be stretched in such a way as to make a violation of law and rules out of it? Upon what will proof be based? Only those persons who were there and involved are witnesses so without them there is not much of a case. It probably WAS an initiation - whether or not wetting initiates outdoors on a cold night is hazing is probably in the mind of those who are considering the event. No harm no foul seems to fit this situation so it's time to move on now to some real crimes. Fortunately the UGA police department didn't happen on the scene or those brothers would probably still be in jail on some charge such as being wet on a cold night outdoors.
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Frank J

posted 11/21/08 @ 12:13 PM EST

CoastalDawg, your comments and participation are not wanted on this forum.

Go play in traffic.
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Cappie

posted 11/21/08 @ 1:38 PM EST

Originally posted by

Frank J

 CoastalDawg, your comments and participation are not wanted on this forum.

Go play in traffic.


Frank J,

You're off base here. MA hates the Greeks (see Lumpkin Street). The Greek alums have no control over MA. If they did, their houses would still be standing.

SBR is not part of the Greek community. I was a Greek for four years and I've never even heard of them.
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Olive

posted 11/22/08 @ 9:57 PM EST

Originally posted by

Frank J

 CoastalDawg, your comments and participation are not wanted on this forum.

Go play in traffic.


Well, Cappie, maybe this is a sign that it's time for you to move on from the R&B page and get on with life. Because SBR is definitely apart of the UGA Greek community...

White Greek organizations are not the only ones in existence.
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788

posted 11/22/08 @ 11:42 PM EST

Originally posted by

Frank J

 CoastalDawg, your comments and participation are not wanted on this forum.

Go play in traffic.



Just because a you have not heard of SBR does NOT mean they are not apart of the Greek Community. If you actually do some research on Greek organizations now on campus you will come across many who are South-Asian, Asian, Latina/o and in the case or SBR Multicultural.
You're just playing off you own thoughts on what being Greek should mean when in reality that has changed.
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Rusty Cartwright

posted 11/23/08 @ 10:27 AM EST

[QUOTE id="79e403c0-9844-4058-bec3-f0735f0adff0"]Well, Cappie, maybe this is a sign that it's time for you to move on from the R&B page and get on with life. Because SBR is definitely apart of the UGA Greek community...

White Greek organizations are not the only ones in existence./QUOTE]

While technically they may be part of the Greek community (Are they even in IFC?) it's really not fair to lump them in with the real Greeks at UGA - ie. those that have large mansions. Maybe we can come up with some sort of term to use for the SBRs and other similar groups that don't quite fit in. This term would be helpful in identifying them as outside of the real Greeks, but also give them some type of identity. Suggestions?
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Cappie

posted 11/23/08 @ 10:51 AM EST

Originally posted by

Frank J

 Just because a you have not heard of SBR does NOT mean they are not apart of the Greek Community. If you actually do some research on Greek organizations now on campus you will come across many who are South-Asian, Asian, Latina/o and in the case or SBR Multicultural.
You're just playing off you own thoughts on what being Greek should mean when in reality that has changed.


Research? Yea right. Like I'm going to use my laptop for anything other than video chatting, porn, gambling, and R&B (4 Pillars of UGA?). 99% of the (real) Greeks on campus have probably never heard of SBR. While technically they may be inching their way into a quasi connected relationship with the UGA Greeks, I don't buy it. They're like that weird kid who thinks he is at the party because he is watching through the window. He's not. SBR fails the test to be a real Greek organization at every level. They should stop pretending and maybe make some type of club that meets in the SLC (which is where they probably meet anyways) where they can share recipes or something.

Secondly - Water torture? Really? Is that really what you came up with? Man is that cliche for an Asian frat. If you're going to haze, do it in your own property and try to avoid stereotypes. And don't bitch about not having a house. If Sigma Pi can get one, there is no excuse.

So if you really want to try and fit in, get a house with some columns. Ditch the cargo shorts for Patagonia. Buy some New Balances. Get rid of the Honda and buy a Tahoe. Buy The Last Waltz album and memorize it. Get your Bourbon Street VIP card and learn how to make a Dixieland Ice Tee. Good luck brothers.
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788

posted 11/24/08 @ 10:06 AM EST

Originally posted by

Frank J

 CoastalDawg, your comments and participation are not wanted on this forum.

Go play in traffic.


They are apart of a council, it is called Multicultural Greek Council. Again, if people would open their eyes and look around they would notice these things.
It includes 3 sororities and 4 fraternities currently and is on verge of growing with more.
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788

posted 11/24/08 @ 10:19 AM EST

Originally posted by

Frank J

 CoastalDawg, your comments and participation are not wanted on this forum.

Go play in traffic.


You are very ignorant for one. They were founded in 2004 here on campus. So just because they do not meet your standard does not make them less Greek. Honestly, I am a minority greek on campus and we do not have a house either. Does that make my organization or any other minority greek less a greek? NO.
Not all Greek organization HAVE to have a house. We do not have ridiculous dues nor alumni funding us. We fund ourselves. Which majority of other Greeks do not do nor know what that is even like. Majority of Greeks have also been founded on campus YEARS ago, where as the minorities on campus have been founded recently. As recent as a year ago. So why don't you get off you soup box and realize that we as MINORITY GREEKS ARE WORKING OUR BUTTS OFF to get ride of stereotypes people like YOU PLACE ON US.
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Cappie

posted 11/24/08 @ 6:17 PM EST

Originally posted by

Frank J

 You are very ignorant for one. They were founded in 2004 here on campus. So just because they do not meet your standard does not make them less Greek. Honestly, I am a minority greek on campus and we do not have a house either. Does that make my organization or any other minority greek less a greek? NO.
Not all Greek organization HAVE to have a house. We do not have ridiculous dues nor alumni funding us. We fund ourselves. Which majority of other Greeks do not do nor know what that is even like. Majority of Greeks have also been founded on campus YEARS ago, where as the minorities on campus have been founded recently. As recent as a year ago. So why don't you get off you soup box and realize that we as MINORITY GREEKS ARE WORKING OUR BUTTS OFF to get ride of stereotypes people like YOU PLACE ON US.


Does not meeting the standard of the major Greeks on campus make you less Greek? Absolutely it does. What the hell else standard would you look toward? You can't just make a BS group up and say "Hey guys, we're all Greeks too!"

Why would you want to fund yourself. Half the point of being Greek is to tap into the rich alumni for assistance. Granted, every organization had to start somewhere, but they didn't do it in 2004. They did it over a 100 years ago. I just don't understand why you want to be included so badly. I'm sure part of it has to due with the "weird kid watching the party through the window" theory alluded to before. Well actually that's probably all of it. My suggestion would be to create some sort of multicultural support group that meets at the SLC. It will essentially be exactly what you're doing now but without the title of "Greek". Everybody wins this way.

You can label yourself whatever you want but if the majority of the group you purport to be a part of doesn't recognize the label, what good is it?

Always frat hard,
Your bro Cappie
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Evan Chambers

posted 11/21/08 @ 3:44 PM EST

Well said Cappie. I would also like to add that President Adams hates the Greek community. He has actually tightened the rules on the Greeks since he became President, unlike Frank J leads us to believe. You should have seen the fun that was had before MA was here. Frank J's queer ass would have freaked out. Frank J go back to your little dorm and rub one out to a picture of hot ass sorostitute, that I have probably banged in my day before.
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lollercoaster

posted 11/24/08 @ 3:29 PM EST

788 told you to "get off your soup box"

rofl
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Richard Wang

posted 11/24/08 @ 5:26 PM EST

778,

Joining a fraternity is choosing to be stereotyped. Allow me to explain:

Pledging creates a group that fits well together. When a group of people fit well together, it is because they share similar characteristics. When a group of people share similar characteristics, that group can, and will, be stereotyped.

This is relevant to any group of people; be it a personal circle of friends, UGA football fans, or a fraternity. Stereotyping will never disappear.
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Frank J

posted 11/25/08 @ 9:44 AM EST

do you realize your name is "Dick Wang"???




Originally posted by

Richard Wang

 778,

Joining a fraternity is choosing to be stereotyped. Allow me to explain:

Pledging creates a group that fits well together. When a group of people fit well together, it is because they share similar characteristics. When a group of people share similar characteristics, that group can, and will, be stereotyped.

This is relevant to any group of people; be it a personal circle of friends, UGA football fans, or a fraternity. Stereotyping will never disappear.
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douglas neidermeyer

posted 11/25/08 @ 10:56 AM EST

"Does not meeting the standard of the major Greeks on campus make you less Greek? Absolutely it does. What the hell else standard would you look toward? You can't just make a BS group up and say "Hey guys, we're all Greeks too!"

Why would you want to fund yourself. Half the point of being Greek is to tap into the rich alumni for assistance. Granted, every organization had to start somewhere, but they didn't do it in 2004. They did it over a 100 years ago. I just don't understand why you want to be included so badly. I'm sure part of it has to due with the "weird kid watching the party through the window" theory alluded to before. Well actually that's probably all of it. My suggestion would be to create some sort of multicultural support group that meets at the SLC. It will essentially be exactly what you're doing now but without the title of "Greek". Everybody wins this way.

You can label yourself whatever you want but if the majority of the group you purport to be a part of doesn't recognize the label, what good is it?

Always frat hard,
Your bro Cappie "

Good form old boy.
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kim

posted 11/25/08 @ 2:41 PM EST

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http://www.redandblack.com/home/index.cfm?event=displayArticle&ustory_id=ee94967f-ba83-48de-bd68-cff383a9c82a
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ditka

posted 11/27/08 @ 2:42 PM EST

Man, I'm not a fan of SBR but I do see a lot of hatred coming from the white supremacist spoiled greeks. Just because ya'll joined a frat that was established a long time ago doesn't mean you're really doing anything. I know many minority greeks or multicultural greeks who fundraise, donate, etc. This is to actually do something in the community.. not for drugs and raping girls after throwing typical frat-boy parties with roofies.
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Cappie

posted 11/27/08 @ 7:45 PM EST

Originally posted by

ditka

 Man, I'm not a fan of SBR but I do see a lot of hatred coming from the white supremacist spoiled greeks. Just because ya'll joined a frat that was established a long time ago doesn't mean you're really doing anything. I know many minority greeks or multicultural greeks who fundraise, donate, etc. This is to actually do something in the community.. not for drugs and raping girls after throwing typical frat-boy parties with roofies.


I guarantee you that all of the IFC and Panhellenic Greeks do more for the community than the so called "minority Greeks".

"This is to actually do something in the community.. not for drugs and raping girls after throwing typical frat-boy parties with roofies."

That's a fairly intelligible sentence but I'll address what I think you're attempting to say. You're not going to win any points in a discussion where your goal is to prevent the majority from stereotyping the minority by stereotyping back. In all reality, you are making it worse. It's also obvious you've never been to a frat party if you think the girls needs to be roofied. That's more of a tactic employed by shitty fraternities like SB...woops, there I go again.
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23

posted 12/23/08 @ 12:56 AM EST

Originally posted by

ditka

 Man, I'm not a fan of SBR but I do see a lot of hatred coming from the white supremacist spoiled greeks. Just because ya'll joined a frat that was established a long time ago doesn't mean you're really doing anything. I know many minority greeks or multicultural greeks who fundraise, donate, etc. This is to actually do something in the community.. not for drugs and raping girls after throwing typical frat-boy parties with roofies.


Cappie,
I'm tired of reading your ignorant comments, unfortunately I was a brother from one of the "white" greeks, and guess what I dropped my letters.... ever here of stuff like that happening, to this day I think it was the best decision. The IFC did nothing of substance we barely met the minimum every year, and every year, it never got better. This past semester I joined one of your so called non greeks and guess what there is an incredible difference in what is done. These guys actually get up at 6 in the morning to go out and do community service events, not to mention this is having a mixer the night before with one of your "white" sororities. Honestly Cappie times have changed why cant u just accept the fact that you guys are not as dominant as you thought. Get over yourself and stop trying to call people out, it makes you look like an idiot
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23

posted 12/23/08 @ 12:59 AM EST

Originally posted by

ditka

 Man, I'm not a fan of SBR but I do see a lot of hatred coming from the white supremacist spoiled greeks. Just because ya'll joined a frat that was established a long time ago doesn't mean you're really doing anything. I know many minority greeks or multicultural greeks who fundraise, donate, etc. This is to actually do something in the community.. not for drugs and raping girls after throwing typical frat-boy parties with roofies.


Cappie,
I'm tired of reading your ignorant comments, unfortunately I was a brother from one of the "white" greeks, and guess what I dropped my letters.... ever here of stuff like that happening, to this day I think it was the best decision. The IFC did nothing of substance we barely met the minimum every year, and every year, it never got better. This past semester I joined one of your so called non greeks and guess what there is an incredible difference in what is done. These guys actually get up at 6 in the morning to go out and do community service events, not to mention this is having a mixer the night before with one of your "white" sororities. Honestly Cappie times have changed why cant u just accept the fact that you guys are not as dominant as you thought. Get over yourself and stop trying to call people out, it makes you look like an idiot
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Frank J

posted 11/28/08 @ 3:58 PM EST

This might not be true, but I heard it from a VERY reliable source.

Cappie takes it in the butt...hard.
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ditka

posted 11/29/08 @ 2:46 PM EST

damnn cappie, very defensive. and you try to sound smart too haha. who knows, Frank J's probably right. and i just say it like it is cappie, i don't try to use tactful arguments and try to turn stuff around. get an education. this doesn't mean get a degree, this means lessen your ignorance. ok, stupid?
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Pissing people off on R&B is fun!

posted 11/29/08 @ 4:26 PM EST

Originally posted by

ditka

 damnn cappie, very defensive. and you try to sound smart too haha. who knows, Frank J's probably right. and i just say it like it is cappie, i don't try to use tactful arguments and try to turn stuff around. get an education. this doesn't mean get a degree, this means lessen your ignorance. ok, stupid?



"i don't try to use tactful arguments and try to turn stuff around"

Hah, you don't say?

If you don't have a legitimate argument, just call them gay. 60% of the time, it works every time.
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Tim Leeds

posted 12/03/08 @ 4:36 PM EST

I certainly agree with Cappie and Frank, this is the contribution that "real fraternities" give to their community.....
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/05/07/sdsu.drug.bust.ap/index.html
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West Coast Frats

posted 12/03/08 @ 5:49 PM EST

Are a joke and filled with minorities
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Nik P

posted 12/03/08 @ 6:53 PM EST

Could you give me a legitimate reason why Sigma Beta Rho isn't a real Greek Organization and why "the only crime they committed was joining Sigma Beta Rho."

You guys are so tough by taking up aliases from the tv show Greek and thrashing other fraternities. Why don't you guys show some guts and use your real names and the names of your fraternity. I am sure there are many people who haven't even heard of YOUR fraternities even though they were established over a 100 years back by some slave owning racist. I am glad to see that 100 years later, you guys still have that hate for fraternities that aren't white. You guys are all a bunch of hypocrites. Having a house makes you Greek, that is probably the dumbest thing I have ever heard of in my life. Your established fraternities don't have real houses with columns at my school. Mainly Greeks from southern schools have houses bc there really isn't that much land up north to have mansions that some slave owner built. And you can't tell me that real Greek life started in the south, thats complete BS bc a Society was started at William and Mary and then actual Greek termed Fraternities were started in Union college up in New York. You guys need to stop wasting your time and posting hateful comments about organizations you know nothing about.

The cops probably assumed there was hazing going on bc there were no arrests made and Greek life didn't throw any sanctions at the fraternity. So stop assuming things bc some newspaper or cop REPORTS it to be true.

I would still like you to tell me why Sigma Beta Rho isn't a real Greek organization and why joining that fraternity is a crime?
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Joshua Dressler

posted 12/03/08 @ 7:27 PM EST

Look at you trying so hard to fit in! That's so cute!

Isn't it kind of a bitch move to call people out for not putting their real names up if you do the same?
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history check

posted 12/03/08 @ 8:58 PM EST

Who owned slaves 100 years ago? Slavery had been over in America since 1865.

Also, none of the Greek houses in Athens were built by slaveowners, the oldest ones on Milledge were built in the 1890's, the Lumpkin ones much later.

Further, as you so astutely pointed out, the first Greek Letter Society was founded at William and Mary in 1776, in VIRGINIA. The home state of Robert E. Lee isn't in the south? News to me. There were fraternities at Emory in 1841 and Alabama in 1856. Does your "fraternity" not teach this stuff?

Also, before you call everyone you can find a racist, maybe his complaint isn't that the fraternity isn't "white" but that it was founded about 5 years ago, doesn't have a house, isn't in IFC, and is basically a club with a Greek name, completely lacking in little things like tradition.
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Brandon

posted 12/03/08 @ 9:19 PM EST

"Does not meeting the standard of the major Greeks on campus make you less Greek? Absolutely it does. What the hell else standard would you look toward? You can't just make a BS group up and say "Hey guys, we're all Greeks too!"

Why would you want to fund yourself. Half the point of being Greek is to tap into the rich alumni for assistance. Granted, every organization had to start somewhere, but they didn't do it in 2004. They did it over a 100 years ago. I just don't understand why you want to be included so badly. I'm sure part of it has to due with the "weird kid watching the party through the window" theory alluded to before. Well actually that's probably all of it. My suggestion would be to create some sort of multicultural support group that meets at the SLC. It will essentially be exactly what you're doing now but without the title of "Greek". Everybody wins this way.

You can label yourself whatever you want but if the majority of the group you purport to be a part of doesn't recognize the label, what good is it?

Always frat hard,
Your bro Cappie "

I have to agree with Cappie on this. Why would you ANYONE want to be included in a group that features a brain-washed bigot like Cappie as the model member? Why would anyone want to be part of a system that produces wastes of flesh like him? Because they like being narcissistic, spoiled, insular and deluded?

If SBR wanted to distinguish themselves from the rest of the Greek tools, hazing is not the way.
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Cappie

posted 12/03/08 @ 10:06 PM EST

Brandino,

Bra, narcissism is totally in. No wasted flesh here. I slay all the fresh meat that I pick up at B Street immediately upon return to the frat castle (large white house with columns). Those chicken head skeezes hardly know what him them. Seriously, they are usually so hammered that they hardly know. And I'm totally not the model member. I have this one frat brother who is named after a Confederate general, is the direct descendant of a plantation owning family, slays vagin like it's his job, never goes to class and barely stays in school but is already hooked up with a sweet job, and drives a badass Range Rover. Those words you used in your last sentence were just made up by people that are jealous of the fratastic lifestyle people like me live. My days consist of watching TV in leather couches on the front yard and making pledges being me Naty lite after Naty lite. Not because it tastes good and I can't afford better beer (trust me, my trust/portfolio has been super insulated from this so called economic slow down that the peasants are sweating), but because well, it's the fratty thing to drink. But can you really blame SBR for wanting to be involved so bad and trying to copy us by hazing? I sure can't.

Cappie on fee. Out.
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Brandon

posted 12/03/08 @ 10:14 PM EST

Well, if you're enjoying your hollow and pointless lifestyle, then I guess that's what's most important.
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Cappie

posted 12/04/08 @ 1:19 AM EST

Originally posted by

Brandon

 Well, if you're enjoying your hollow and pointless lifestyle, then I guess that's what's most important.


Absolutely I am and absolutely it is. But are you enjoying your lifestyle that is surely filled with prudish hoes, tons of rules and a judgmental attitude? I'm living a hedonist's dream. I get hammered, dance with hot chicks and then slay them. Pledges do shit for me. I go to school and learn some cool stuff. I'm surrounded by my fellow collegians who share my passion for hanging out and having a good time. I travel a good bit and try to enjoy every aspect of life. You should come hang out sometime Brandino. We can make fun of sorostitutes and throw shit at the pledges.
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Nik P

posted 12/03/08 @ 10:51 PM EST

To the person who posted about "history check." You have to learn how to read my friend. I said OVER 100 years ago, I didn't say just 100 years ago. Reading is fundamental, if you guys actually went to class instead of drinking natty lite, then maybe you would have caught that.

Minority organizations are a part of Greek life for completely different reasons. Yea, we like to party too but our main purpose is brotherhood and community service.

Its hard to win arguments when you have a person like "cappie" pretty much summing up what the traditional (white) fraternities are about. By those statements, it is apparent that our views on Greek life are completely different.

It was called the Flat Hat Society which was founded at William Mary in 1750 by Thomas Jefferson and others, it wasn't a greek lettered org. (This society is actually what brought about "greek" life.) The org you speak of which is Phi Beta Kappa was formed in 1776 bc they weren't allowed to join another org. The first Greek lettered triad that was formed was at union college and was known as the union triad which were the Kappa Alpha (1825), Sigma Phi (1827) and Delta Phi (1827).

Maybe your "frat" didn't teach you the proper Greek history.

Also, check out Sigmabetarho.com. It was founded in 1996 not 5 years ago, it is a relatively young organization that is making great strides. Before you start posting negative statements about other organizations, please get your information straight. Go look up NIC, we are a part of NIC. We don't have to be part of IFC bc we are in MGC (multicultural Greek Council.)

As I said earlier, if Sigma Beta Rho was hazing, then formal charges would have been brought up by the cop that was at the scene and the Greek life would have punished the fraternity. Since that did not happen, then it is quite obvious that hazing did not take place.

Also, I gave you my real name and you know what fraternity I am representing and I am from Virginia (so please don't try to tell me about William and Mary.) No aliases were given and nothing was hidden.

Look, I am not here to throw salt on your organizations, I initially started posting bc you are slandering my organization without any real reasoning. I have still not gotten any answer on why we aren't a real organization. You gentlemen have a good day.
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Cappie

posted 12/04/08 @ 12:37 AM EST

Originally posted by

Nik P

 To the person who posted about "history check." You have to learn how to read my friend. I said OVER 100 years ago, I didn't say just 100 years ago. Reading is fundamental, if you guys actually went to class instead of drinking natty lite, then maybe you would have caught that.

Minority organizations are a part of Greek life for completely different reasons. Yea, we like to party too but our main purpose is brotherhood and community service.

Its hard to win arguments when you have a person like "cappie" pretty much summing up what the traditional (white) fraternities are about. By those statements, it is apparent that our views on Greek life are completely different.

It was called the Flat Hat Society which was founded at William Mary in 1750 by Thomas Jefferson and others, it wasn't a greek lettered org. (This society is actually what brought about "greek" life.) The org you speak of which is Phi Beta Kappa was formed in 1776 bc they weren't allowed to join another org. The first Greek lettered triad that was formed was at union college and was known as the union triad which were the Kappa Alpha (1825), Sigma Phi (1827) and Delta Phi (1827).

Maybe your "frat" didn't teach you the proper Greek history.

Also, check out Sigmabetarho.com. It was founded in 1996 not 5 years ago, it is a relatively young organization that is making great strides. Before you start posting negative statements about other organizations, please get your information straight. Go look up NIC, we are a part of NIC. We don't have to be part of IFC bc we are in MGC (multicultural Greek Council.)

As I said earlier, if Sigma Beta Rho was hazing, then formal charges would have been brought up by the cop that was at the scene and the Greek life would have punished the fraternity. Since that did not happen, then it is quite obvious that hazing did not take place.

Also, I gave you my real name and you know what fraternity I am representing and I am from Virginia (so please don't try to tell me about William and Mary.) No aliases were given and nothing was hidden.

Look, I am not here to throw salt on your organizations, I initially started posting bc you are slandering my organization without any real reasoning. I have still not gotten any answer on why we aren't a real organization. You gentlemen have a good day.


Wow. Let. Me. Catch. My. Breath. I'm laughing so damn hard. Dude, thank you so much for that link. That seriously made my day. I really and truly suggest that everyone go to Sigmabetarho.com. You will laugh for hours. Their President, Ali Khan gives an inspirational message and there are tons of pictures of wannabee fratstar D-bags with gelled up hair wearing SBR shirts and throwing up some sort of gang symbol (East side, West side? Whatever side you're on). Why did you continue to set yourself up like that? I think I saw maybe two white guys in all the pics, although I think it may have been the same white dude in both (so hard to tell, they all look the same to me). I never said SBR wasn't a real organization, and if I did say that somewhere above, that's not what I meant. I just don't think you're a real Greek organization. Ask every single other Greek organization on campus and they would probably all agree. With that said, I think it's awesome you want to be accepted so badly. Reach for the stars!
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eddie

posted 12/03/08 @ 11:41 PM EST

dear lord, looks like i stumbled on the buttplug brigade over here. SBR is NOT a Greek organization. Just because you slap greek letters on something doesn't make you a greek organization. SBR isnt a part of IFC and isnt a part of the "greek" community at UGA. whatever the hell they were doing out in oconee sounds like a shitty attempt to try and be cool (what do you expect out of a bunch of douchetards that started their own "fraternity"?). Point proven... pass me a natty.

To all those hatin on cappie, hop off the guys balls, those are resrved for hot tri delts. but seriously, why are you taking out your anti-greek frustrations out on him? just because we're in fraternities doesnt mean that we're racists, doesn't mean that we think we're better than everyone else, doesn't mean we don't actually apply ourselves at this university. sure, there are some individuals in the greek community that fit that discription, but why stereotype all of us (that makes you just as "bigoted" as we are). i'm sure i'd elicit outcry if i ripped on all sbr's for doing everyone's calc homework. not all frat guys are douches, unless they're sigma nus
we join fraternities because we like to have a good time and want to be around people who like to have a good time. its a good way to get involved on campus and in the community, meet new people, and actually enjoy the time we have in college before going out in the shitty ass world of jobs and marraige and shit.

so everyone, breathe, take out the buttplugs, pop open a natty, and slay some hot tri delt vag.
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Tim Leeds

posted 12/05/08 @ 6:26 PM EST

Check out the link-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North-American_Interfraternity_Conference

Take a glance at all the fraternities on there
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Wallace

posted 12/05/08 @ 8:28 PM EST

Why does everyone have to hate so hard on SBR? Don't you know that Borat was a founding member at Almaty University in Kazakhstan? Bet you feel bad now...
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Come on, guys...

posted 12/05/08 @ 11:09 PM EST

Guys, come on - quit ripping on Cappie and eddie. Eddie's right: they totally deserve their time to "get involved on campus and in the community, meet new people," drink Natty, have fun, slay vag, and "actually enjoy the time they have in college before going out in the shitty ass world of jobs and marraige [sic] and shit." We can give them that. After all, we all know they're going to be the paunchy, red-nosed, broken-capillary-roadmap-cheeked middle-aged guys who show up at tailgates and frat functions in a few years, hitting on the young chicks while all that hot ass is saying "Ewwwwww" behind their backs, and they'll go home and console themselves with their fat bank accounts and fat bellies.

Let's allow them their moment of glory. Lord knows it's no more than that.
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nithin

posted 12/06/08 @ 2:40 PM EST

so to all the hate about not having a house, the sigma beta rho chapter at michigan state university just got a 20 bedroom frat "mansion" on one of the most prime locations on campus.. we're in the national inter-fraternity conference, we're in IFC in a lot of our schools and working on getting in the others. Everyone's gotta start somewhere. Chill out doodes don't fear the sig rho takeover, just flow with it.

hate's the sincerest form of flattery

oh yea fyi our national ties are ridiculous, hence this random post from a brother from across the country.
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Wow

posted 12/06/08 @ 11:47 PM EST

One of your other chapters north of the Mason Dixon at a college that would appreciate gell heads like yall has a house? Man that will really show all the haters on this thread that it's now finally time to accept SBR at Georgia!
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Well

posted 12/07/08 @ 1:23 PM EST

Congrats to SBR... let them on IFC, their pledging is officially harder than SigEp's.
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Can't trust him

posted 12/07/08 @ 1:32 PM EST

http://www.nicindy.org/information/NIC_member_fraternities/

SBR isn't on NIC you fucking Yankee moron. MGC or NPHC or whatever dumb group you may be part of may let you in, but fortunately for the rest of us, NIC has standards
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they are on NIC

posted 12/07/08 @ 1:40 PM EST

They are an NIC fraternity... here's to affirmative action.
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nithin

posted 12/07/08 @ 1:45 PM EST

haha yea, sigma beta rho's on that link you posted right after Sigma Alpha Mu and right before sigma chi. Chill out dude, no need to get so angry, thanks for posting the link for proof though.
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Nik P

posted 12/07/08 @ 2:45 PM EST

I still have no answers on why we are not a real greek organization and why it is a crime to be a part of Sigma Beta Rho?

Let me answer it for you, you kids have no reasons. You just spew random thoughts from your mouth with out any facts to actually back up what you are saying. And when you tried to pull up something about NIC, you were proven wrong. Sounds like hatred and jealousy.

Also, you guys are cowards, still no real names and still no representation of the fraternities you guys are a part of at georgia. You guys like to bash on another organization but the guys who do it are afraid to say which organization they represent while doing the bashing. Just a lot of talk from some coward bloggers.
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Anonymous User

posted 12/07/08 @ 3:44 PM EST

Originally posted by

Nik P

 I still have no answers on why we are not a real greek organization and why it is a crime to be a part of Sigma Beta Rho?

Let me answer it for you, you kids have no reasons. You just spew random thoughts from your mouth with out any facts to actually back up what you are saying. And when you tried to pull up something about NIC, you were proven wrong. Sounds like hatred and jealousy.

Also, you guys are cowards, still no real names and still no representation of the fraternities you guys are a part of at georgia. You guys like to bash on another organization but the guys who do it are afraid to say which organization they represent while doing the bashing. Just a lot of talk from some coward bloggers.


It's because this is one huge joke on you and nobody really gives a shit. The fact that you're on here feeling the need to defend your shitty fraternity is awesome. I'll admit I had high hopes earlier when I baited SBR by saying all sorts of stuff but I never dreamed it would go this far-i'm truly happy it has. The fact that I was able to get an actual SBR member on here with his real name defending his wannabe frat on R&B comment threads is classic.

You want to know the real test of when a frat sucks? It's when one of their members honestly feels like they must defend it to a bunch of anonymous internet users who have the sole objective of pissing that person off. The frat-inferiority complex you have is laughable.

Answer to your question:

1. You're not a real Greek organization because the vast majority of Greek organizations and the premiere council on campus (IFC) don't recognize you. But honestly, if you want to call yourself Greek, go right ahead. The funny thing is, if all the IFC chapters dropped the Greek title and started calling themselves something else, you would want that title too. It's not so much the title, but the acceptance you seem to be after. Well guess what: you're not accepted.
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